From kadams at gfs.com Wed Jul 19 10:13:34 2006 From: kadams at gfs.com (Kyle Adams) Date: Wed Jul 19 08:39:37 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Demos at BarCamp Message-ID: <44BDF7BE.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> FYI, I received the following e-mail. ==== Kyle I haven't been to a Bar Camp yet, so I don't know if would be considered appropriate for us to make a presentation on BuoyBuilder, our zero-code generation Java GUI builder? It is an open source project, though we will be offering a commercial license for those that need one or want to support our development. I posted a request for feedback about BuoyBuilder on the GR-JUG mailing list, and saw that there was some interest, though we haven't heard from anyone directly. Just saw some downloads from that side of the state. We are based a little west of Ann Arbor, and could come out for one of the days of the Bar Camp to make a presentation and hang out as long as was needed to talk and answer questions. If it's not appropriate, we understand, but we are really excited about this tool and would love to show it to people. We think that it's pretty cool stuff and want everyone else to see why we think its so cool. Thanks Jack -- Jack Rosenzweig 94West, LLC jack@94-west.com www.buoybuilder.com ==== My initial reaction (based largely on what I've read about other BarCamps) is that demos are fine (great?) as long as the content is technical and not a sales pitch. Here are some relevant snippets from Amit Ranjan's "BarCamp for Dummies" blog entry ( http://url123.com/6u42y ): ON DEMOS... "Encourage product launches/demos- remember the adage ?a picture is worth a thousand words?; well, that the reason why demos, live code-in sessions, product launches are likely to leave a lasting impressions on the audience; so do whatever it takes to encourage people to launch their products or display/demo off early prototypes of what they are currently building . "This may be a little tough given the fact that many Indian companies are services companies than product companies but all the same, give this one a good shot. Believe me, (other factors being equal), this by itself could be the difference between a good & a great BarCamp experience." ON COMMERCIAL ASPECTS OF BARCAMP... "Sponsors- well, ?money is what makes the world go round? but the true spirit of BarCamp is exemplified when the event is seen as being totally non commercial and free of sales pitches. So there?s a trade off here and you would have to do this intelligently." ON SALES PITCHES... "2) avoiding sales pitches at BarCamp- we didn?t face this problem at DelhiBarCamp, not a little bit; though don?t ask me how or why; we didn?t do anything for it. Maybe it?s the collective social pressure at work. I think you should be alive to this possibility and take whatever steps you need, to preclude this from your event" Thoughts? Kyle _____ Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 From dave at brondsema.net Wed Jul 19 14:19:23 2006 From: dave at brondsema.net (Dave Brondsema) Date: Wed Jul 19 08:45:27 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Demos at BarCamp In-Reply-To: <44BDF7BE.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> References: <44BDF7BE.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> Message-ID: <44BE315B.1050404@brondsema.net> +1 I'd say he can come either day he wants, and we'll fit demos into the schedule. Kyle Adams wrote: > FYI, I received the following e-mail. > > ==== > Kyle > > I haven't been to a Bar Camp yet, so I don't know if would be considered appropriate for us to make a presentation on BuoyBuilder, our zero-code generation Java GUI builder? It is an open source project, though we will be offering a commercial license for those that need one or want to support our development. > > I posted a request for feedback about BuoyBuilder on the GR-JUG mailing list, and saw that there was some interest, though we haven't heard from anyone directly. Just saw some downloads from that side of the state. > > We are based a little west of Ann Arbor, and could come out for one of the days of the Bar Camp to make a presentation and hang out as long as was needed to talk and answer questions. If it's not appropriate, we understand, but we are really excited about this tool and would love to show it to people. We think that it's pretty cool stuff and want everyone else to see why we think its so cool. > > Thanks > Jack > > -- > Jack Rosenzweig > 94West, LLC > jack@94-west.com > www.buoybuilder.com > ==== > > My initial reaction (based largely on what I've read about other BarCamps) is that demos are fine (great?) as long as the content is technical and not a sales pitch. Here are some relevant snippets from Amit Ranjan's "BarCamp for Dummies" blog entry ( http://url123.com/6u42y ): > > ON DEMOS... > > "Encourage product launches/demos- remember the adage ?a picture is worth a thousand words?; well, that the reason why demos, live code-in sessions, product launches are likely to leave a lasting impressions on the audience; so do whatever it takes to encourage people to launch their products or display/demo off early prototypes of what they are currently building . > > "This may be a little tough given the fact that many Indian companies are services companies than product companies but all the same, give this one a good shot. Believe me, (other factors being equal), this by itself could be the difference between a good & a great BarCamp experience." > > ON COMMERCIAL ASPECTS OF BARCAMP... > > "Sponsors- well, ?money is what makes the world go round? but the true spirit of BarCamp is exemplified when the event is seen as being totally non commercial and free of sales pitches. So there?s a trade off here and you would have to do this intelligently." > > ON SALES PITCHES... > > "2) avoiding sales pitches at BarCamp- we didn?t face this problem at DelhiBarCamp, not a little bit; though don?t ask me how or why; we didn?t do anything for it. Maybe it?s the collective social pressure at work. I think you should be alive to this possibility and take whatever steps you need, to preclude this from your event" > > Thoughts? > > Kyle > > _____ > > Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 > > > _______________________________________________ > Barcamp-organizers mailing list > Barcamp-organizers@gr-jug.org > http://gr-jug.org/mailman/listinfo/barcamp-organizers > -- Dave Brondsema Software Developer Cornerstone University -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This sort of thing sounds like something other BarCamps have thrived on. Apparently the TorCamp (Toronto) group created a lighter-weight version of BarCamp so they could see startup demos on a more regular basis: http://barcamp.org/DemoCamp Kyle _____ Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 From dave at brondsema.net Wed Jul 19 14:38:29 2006 From: dave at brondsema.net (Dave Brondsema) Date: Wed Jul 19 09:04:26 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] rooms Message-ID: <44BE35D5.7070509@brondsema.net> I meet with Prof Adams last night before the GR-JUG meeting. We will have these rooms reserved: 253, 259, 261 (classrooms in the main hallway) 276, 295 (classrooms in the circle loop) 294 - CS study/conf room with freestanding tables 282 - math library with freestanding tables faculty/staff lounge with microwave, fridge, coffee pot All the classrooms have projectors, computer, laptop hookup. Prof Adams will verify that using the rooms is okay with the Math dept, reserve the rooms, and contact Campus Safety. He said he should be able to confirm this week. -- Dave Brondsema Software Developer Cornerstone University -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 250 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://gr-jug.org/pipermail/barcamp-organizers/attachments/20060719/cabef7e0/signature.bin From dave at brondsema.net Wed Jul 19 14:53:55 2006 From: dave at brondsema.net (Dave Brondsema) Date: Wed Jul 19 09:19:53 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] status update Message-ID: <44BE3973.1000703@brondsema.net> I talked about BarCamp some at the GR-JUG meeting last night. Carlus was not interested in helping organize it, but Dan Diephouse (welcome to the list!) offered to help out with marketing. The other attendees seemed marginally interested. http://barcamp.org/BarCampGrandRapids is our public wiki page. We have event details there, link to the registration page, and other organizing info. We have 4 people registered so far; registrations go to a text file. I will be manually subscribing registrees to the barcamp@gr-jug.org mailing list. We haven't done any advertising and promotion yet. As soon as we get confirmation from Calvin on the rooms, we should start. Maybe start ASAP anyway since the date is only a month away. I doubt we'll have any serious problems with reserving the rooms. Kyle will be asking GFS to provide food. Kyle will provide me with a better updated registration template. Did I miss anything, Kyle? -- Dave Brondsema Software Developer Cornerstone University -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We will have these rooms reserved: 253, 259, 261 (classrooms in the main hallway) 276, 295 (classrooms in the circle loop) 294 - CS study/conf room with freestanding tables 282 - math library with freestanding tables faculty/staff lounge with microwave, fridge, coffee pot All the classrooms have projectors, computer, laptop hookup. Prof Adams will verify that using the rooms is okay with the Math dept, reserve the rooms, and contact Campus Safety. He said he should be able to confirm this week. -- Dave Brondsema Software Developer Cornerstone University From kadams at gfs.com Wed Jul 19 11:04:06 2006 From: kadams at gfs.com (Kyle Adams) Date: Wed Jul 19 09:30:06 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Publicity Startup Message-ID: <44BE0395.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> I've whipped up a rough e-mail template for publicizing out to the various lists; feel free to utilize the wiki and add your comments on my marketing approach or assemble alternate templates. http://barcamp.org/BarCampGrandRapidsPublicityEmail Here are my thoughts on some folks to target: * Work. Talk it up within your respective IS departments. * abstraction-chat. Calvin's CS discussion list. Lots of alumni with good connections of their own. * Other user groups. See the list of links currently on the GR-JUG home page. Who else? I can post to abstraction-chat. Dan, are there any user groups that you could talk to about the event? Any other ideas for publicity/marketing? Kyle _____ Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 From dan at envoisolutions.com Wed Jul 19 11:14:47 2006 From: dan at envoisolutions.com (Dan Diephouse) Date: Wed Jul 19 09:40:41 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Demos at BarCamp In-Reply-To: <44BE315B.1050404@brondsema.net> References: <44BDF7BE.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> <44BE315B.1050404@brondsema.net> Message-ID: <44BE3E57.4010202@envoisolutions.com> Yeah, definitely invite them out! - Dan Dave Brondsema wrote: > +1 > > I'd say he can come either day he wants, and we'll fit demos into the > schedule. > > Kyle Adams wrote: > >> FYI, I received the following e-mail. >> >> ==== >> Kyle >> >> I haven't been to a Bar Camp yet, so I don't know if would be considered appropriate for us to make a presentation on BuoyBuilder, our zero-code generation Java GUI builder? It is an open source project, though we will be offering a commercial license for those that need one or want to support our development. >> >> I posted a request for feedback about BuoyBuilder on the GR-JUG mailing list, and saw that there was some interest, though we haven't heard from anyone directly. Just saw some downloads from that side of the state. >> >> We are based a little west of Ann Arbor, and could come out for one of the days of the Bar Camp to make a presentation and hang out as long as was needed to talk and answer questions. If it's not appropriate, we understand, but we are really excited about this tool and would love to show it to people. We think that it's pretty cool stuff and want everyone else to see why we think its so cool. >> >> Thanks >> Jack >> >> -- >> Jack Rosenzweig >> 94West, LLC >> jack@94-west.com >> www.buoybuilder.com >> ==== >> >> My initial reaction (based largely on what I've read about other BarCamps) is that demos are fine (great?) as long as the content is technical and not a sales pitch. Here are some relevant snippets from Amit Ranjan's "BarCamp for Dummies" blog entry ( http://url123.com/6u42y ): >> >> ON DEMOS... >> >> "Encourage product launches/demos- remember the adage ?a picture is worth a thousand words?; well, that the reason why demos, live code-in sessions, product launches are likely to leave a lasting impressions on the audience; so do whatever it takes to encourage people to launch their products or display/demo off early prototypes of what they are currently building . >> >> "This may be a little tough given the fact that many Indian companies are services companies than product companies but all the same, give this one a good shot. Believe me, (other factors being equal), this by itself could be the difference between a good & a great BarCamp experience." >> >> ON COMMERCIAL ASPECTS OF BARCAMP... >> >> "Sponsors- well, ?money is what makes the world go round? but the true spirit of BarCamp is exemplified when the event is seen as being totally non commercial and free of sales pitches. So there?s a trade off here and you would have to do this intelligently." >> >> ON SALES PITCHES... >> >> "2) avoiding sales pitches at BarCamp- we didn?t face this problem at DelhiBarCamp, not a little bit; though don?t ask me how or why; we didn?t do anything for it. Maybe it?s the collective social pressure at work. I think you should be alive to this possibility and take whatever steps you need, to preclude this from your event" >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Kyle >> >> _____ >> >> Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Barcamp-organizers mailing list >> Barcamp-organizers@gr-jug.org >> http://gr-jug.org/mailman/listinfo/barcamp-organizers >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Barcamp-organizers mailing list > Barcamp-organizers@gr-jug.org > http://gr-jug.org/mailman/listinfo/barcamp-organizers > -- Dan Diephouse Envoi Solutions http://envoisolutions.com http://netzooid.com/blog From dan at envoisolutions.com Wed Jul 19 11:26:09 2006 From: dan at envoisolutions.com (Dan Diephouse) Date: Wed Jul 19 09:52:06 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Publicity Startup In-Reply-To: <44BE0395.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> References: <44BE0395.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> Message-ID: <44BE4101.8080301@envoisolutions.com> Kyle Adams wrote: > I've whipped up a rough e-mail template for publicizing out to the > various lists; feel free to utilize the wiki and add your comments on my > marketing approach or assemble alternate templates. > > http://barcamp.org/BarCampGrandRapidsPublicityEmail > > Looks good. Although it might be a bit too minimalistic. Maybe include something along the lines of "Top 5 Reasons to Come to BarCamp GR" with some witty points. > Here are my thoughts on some folks to target: > > * Work. Talk it up within your respective IS departments. > * abstraction-chat. Calvin's CS discussion list. Lots of alumni with > good connections of their own. > * Other user groups. See the list of links currently on the GR-JUG > home page. > > Who else? > > I can post to abstraction-chat. Dan, are there any user groups that > you could talk to about the event? > > I'll contact the local (an Ann Arbor possibly?) Linux, Ruby, XP, and any other user groups I can find. > Any other ideas for publicity/marketing? > I'll blog about it, but I don't know how many grand rapids readers I have :-). - Dan -- Dan Diephouse Envoi Solutions http://envoisolutions.com http://netzooid.com/blog From dave at brondsema.net Wed Jul 19 15:31:34 2006 From: dave at brondsema.net (Dave Brondsema) Date: Wed Jul 19 09:57:30 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Publicity Startup In-Reply-To: <44BE0395.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> References: <44BE0395.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> Message-ID: <44BE4246.6000306@brondsema.net> Kyle Adams wrote: > I've whipped up a rough e-mail template for publicizing out to the > various lists; feel free to utilize the wiki and add your comments on my > marketing approach or assemble alternate templates. > > http://barcamp.org/BarCampGrandRapidsPublicityEmail > > Here are my thoughts on some folks to target: > > * Work. Talk it up within your respective IS departments. Definitely; is there a way to promote this in our emails too? > * abstraction-chat. Calvin's CS discussion list. Lots of alumni with > good connections of their own. > * Other user groups. See the list of links currently on the GR-JUG > home page. > > Who else? Broader geographically, especially since this is the first Michigan BarCamp: http://www.kalamazoolinux.org/ http://www.glugnet.org/ http://www.michipug.org/ http://www.migang.org/ http://rubymi.org/ http://myst-technology.com/mysmartchannels/public/blog/53769 (Ann Arbor Computing Society ) And more: http://www.google.com/search?q=michigan+%22users+group%22 > > I can post to abstraction-chat. Dan, are there any user groups that > you could talk to about the event? > > Any other ideas for publicity/marketing? > > Kyle > > _____ > > Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 > _______________________________________________ > Barcamp-organizers mailing list > Barcamp-organizers@gr-jug.org > http://gr-jug.org/mailman/listinfo/barcamp-organizers > -- Dave Brondsema Software Developer Cornerstone University -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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YMMV. > Broader geographically, especially since this is the first Michigan BarCamp: < Has anyone done some digging into that claim? I suspect we are the first Michigan BarCamp, but just wanted to know for sure before I begin tossing it around. Agreed on the broader geographically. Kyle _____ Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 From kadams at gfs.com Wed Jul 19 12:08:03 2006 From: kadams at gfs.com (Kyle Adams) Date: Wed Jul 19 10:33:59 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Publicity Startup In-Reply-To: <44BE4101.8080301@envoisolutions.com> References: <44BE0395.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> <44BE4101.8080301@envoisolutions.com> Message-ID: <44BE1292.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> > Maybe include something along the lines of "Top 5 Reasons to Come to BarCamp GR" with some witty points. < I took a quick stab at a Letterman-style minimalist e-mail on the wiki page. While working on that I thought another interesting take might be a haiku e-mail publicizing the event. Anyone care to try their hand at haiku? Kyle _____ Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 From kadams at gfs.com Wed Jul 19 12:12:38 2006 From: kadams at gfs.com (Kyle Adams) Date: Wed Jul 19 10:38:38 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Publicity Startup In-Reply-To: <44BE1292.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> References: <44BE0395.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> <44BE4101.8080301@envoisolutions.com> <44BE1292.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> Message-ID: <44BE13A5.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> I should note: we probably shouldn't advertise free food or caffeine until I've nailed down where that free food is coming from :-) _____ Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 From dave at brondsema.net Wed Jul 19 18:59:49 2006 From: dave at brondsema.net (Dave Brondsema) Date: Wed Jul 19 13:25:47 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Publicity Startup In-Reply-To: <44BE4246.6000306@brondsema.net> References: <44BE0395.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> <44BE4246.6000306@brondsema.net> Message-ID: <44BE7315.8000908@brondsema.net> Dave Brondsema wrote: > > Broader geographically, especially since this is the first Michigan BarCamp: > > http://www.kalamazoolinux.org/ > http://www.glugnet.org/ > http://www.michipug.org/ > http://www.migang.org/ > http://rubymi.org/ > http://myst-technology.com/mysmartchannels/public/blog/53769 (Ann Arbor > Computing Society ) > > And more: http://www.google.com/search?q=michigan+%22users+group%22 > More: http://www.glimawest.org/ http://www.gramug.org/ http://www.wmaitp.org/ General GR events pages: http://www.g-rad.org/ http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/cal/ -- Dave Brondsema Software Developer Cornerstone University -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But I'm not the marketer! > > ==== > _____ > > Rule #1 of BarCamp: You DO talk about Barcamp. > http://barcamp.org/BarCampGrandRapids > > Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 > ==== > > I intend to get supervisor permission before I start something like > that. YMMV. > >> Broader geographically, especially since this is the first Michigan > BarCamp: < > > Has anyone done some digging into that claim? I suspect we are the > first Michigan BarCamp, but just wanted to know for sure before I begin > tossing it around. Agreed on the broader geographically. > I looked through the list of all BarCamps (it's only been a year of BarCamps) and saw none. -- Dave Brondsema Software Developer Cornerstone University -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Otherwise I was thinking maybe I could have some T-Shirts made up. I'll see if I can get my friend to design something. - Dan -- Dan Diephouse Envoi Solutions http://envoisolutions.com http://netzooid.com/blog From dan at envoisolutions.com Wed Jul 19 15:34:05 2006 From: dan at envoisolutions.com (Dan Diephouse) Date: Wed Jul 19 13:59:59 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Publicity Startup In-Reply-To: <44BE7A0E.4030900@envoisolutions.com> References: <44BE0395.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> <44BE4101.8080301@envoisolutions.com> <44BE1292.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> <44BE13A5.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> <44BE7A0E.4030900@envoisolutions.com> Message-ID: <44BE7B1D.2040400@envoisolutions.com> Dan Diephouse wrote: > Kyle Adams wrote: >> I should note: we probably shouldn't advertise free food or caffeine >> until I've nailed down where that free food is coming from :-) >> >> >> _____ >> >> Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 >> _______________________________________________ >> Barcamp-organizers mailing list >> Barcamp-organizers@gr-jug.org >> http://gr-jug.org/mailman/listinfo/barcamp-organizers >> > I was thinking that I'd bring some beer, but then I remembered it was > it at Calvin and they probably don't like it... :-\ > > If GFS doesn't want to donate some food, I'll volunteer to supply a > meal or so. Otherwise I was thinking maybe I could have some T-Shirts > made up. I'll see if I can get my friend to design something. Design something with the ULTRA COOL LOGO - I didn't even see that the first time. Whoever did that - nice work! - Dan -- Dan Diephouse Envoi Solutions http://envoisolutions.com http://netzooid.com/blog From dan at envoisolutions.com Wed Jul 19 15:37:17 2006 From: dan at envoisolutions.com (Dan Diephouse) Date: Wed Jul 19 14:03:14 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Publicity Startup In-Reply-To: <44BE7315.8000908@brondsema.net> References: <44BE0395.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> <44BE4246.6000306@brondsema.net> <44BE7315.8000908@brondsema.net> Message-ID: <44BE7BDD.4060401@envoisolutions.com> Thanks for these. I'll get on this tomorrow. In the meantime I did blog at least ;-) http://netzooid.com/blog/2006/07/19/barcamp-grand-rapids-is-a-go/ - Dan Dave Brondsema wrote: > Dave Brondsema wrote: > >> Broader geographically, especially since this is the first Michigan BarCamp: >> >> http://www.kalamazoolinux.org/ >> http://www.glugnet.org/ >> http://www.michipug.org/ >> http://www.migang.org/ >> http://rubymi.org/ >> http://myst-technology.com/mysmartchannels/public/blog/53769 (Ann Arbor >> Computing Society ) >> >> And more: http://www.google.com/search?q=michigan+%22users+group%22 >> >> > > More: > > http://www.glimawest.org/ > http://www.gramug.org/ > http://www.wmaitp.org/ > > General GR events pages: > http://www.g-rad.org/ > http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/cal/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Barcamp-organizers mailing list > Barcamp-organizers@gr-jug.org > http://gr-jug.org/mailman/listinfo/barcamp-organizers > -- Dan Diephouse Envoi Solutions http://envoisolutions.com http://netzooid.com/blog From kadams at gfs.com Wed Jul 19 16:12:06 2006 From: kadams at gfs.com (Kyle Adams) Date: Wed Jul 19 14:38:02 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Publicity Startup In-Reply-To: <44BE7A0E.4030900@envoisolutions.com> References: <44BE0395.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> <44BE4101.8080301@envoisolutions.com> <44BE1292.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> <44BE13A5.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> <44BE7A0E.4030900@envoisolutions.com> Message-ID: <44BE4BC4.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> > Otherwise I was thinking maybe I could have some T-Shirts made up. I'll see if I can get my friend to design something. < FYI, t-shirts was on my "would be nice if" list. I haven't given them to much consideration in the interest of keeping things simple. If this is something you want to pursue, I can send along the original files (in Illustrator, PDF, or whatever preferred format) used to create the BarCamp Grand Rapids logo: http://barcamp.org/f/barcampgrandrapids.png _____ Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 From kadams at gfs.com Wed Jul 19 16:14:40 2006 From: kadams at gfs.com (Kyle Adams) Date: Wed Jul 19 14:41:10 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Publicity Startup In-Reply-To: <44BE7B1D.2040400@envoisolutions.com> References: <44BE0395.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> <44BE4101.8080301@envoisolutions.com> <44BE1292.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> <44BE13A5.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> <44BE7A0E.4030900@envoisolutions.com> <44BE7B1D.2040400@envoisolutions.com> Message-ID: <44BE4C5E.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> > Design something with the ULTRA COOL LOGO - I didn't even see that the first time. Whoever did that - nice work! < Thanks! My focus group (AKA wife) also had a positive response. Kyle _____ Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 From kadams at gfs.com Thu Jul 20 17:43:59 2006 From: kadams at gfs.com (Kyle Adams) Date: Thu Jul 20 16:09:56 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Publicity Update Message-ID: <44BFB2CE.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> Per the attached... We're all set on the venue. Start publicizing away. I've also made the official announcement to the gr-jug list (as everyone has probably seen) and I've publicized it to the abstraction-chat list at Calvin. More to come... Kyle _____ Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Joel Adams Subject: Re: [GR-Jug] Re: BarCamp Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:26:08 -0400 Size: 3767 Url: http://gr-jug.org/pipermail/barcamp-organizers/attachments/20060720/9dd89b73/attachment.eml From dan at envoisolutions.com Thu Jul 20 18:34:19 2006 From: dan at envoisolutions.com (Dan Diephouse) Date: Thu Jul 20 17:00:14 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Publicity Startup In-Reply-To: <44BE7BDD.4060401@envoisolutions.com> References: <44BE0395.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> <44BE4246.6000306@brondsema.net> <44BE7315.8000908@brondsema.net> <44BE7BDD.4060401@envoisolutions.com> Message-ID: <44BFF6DB.4030707@envoisolutions.com> OK got a lot of these. And things like the local perl mongers and linux user groups. Anyone know what the best way to contact the XP West michigan group is? Also are there any other GR specific user groups that I missed? - Dan Dan Diephouse wrote: > Thanks for these. I'll get on this tomorrow. In the meantime I did > blog at least ;-) > > http://netzooid.com/blog/2006/07/19/barcamp-grand-rapids-is-a-go/ > > - Dan > > Dave Brondsema wrote: >> Dave Brondsema wrote: >> >>> Broader geographically, especially since this is the first Michigan >>> BarCamp: >>> >>> http://www.kalamazoolinux.org/ >>> http://www.glugnet.org/ >>> http://www.michipug.org/ >>> http://www.migang.org/ >>> http://rubymi.org/ >>> http://myst-technology.com/mysmartchannels/public/blog/53769 (Ann Arbor >>> Computing Society ) >>> >>> And more: http://www.google.com/search?q=michigan+%22users+group%22 >>> >>> >> >> More: >> >> http://www.glimawest.org/ >> http://www.gramug.org/ >> http://www.wmaitp.org/ >> >> General GR events pages: >> http://www.g-rad.org/ >> http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/cal/ >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Barcamp-organizers mailing list >> Barcamp-organizers@gr-jug.org >> http://gr-jug.org/mailman/listinfo/barcamp-organizers >> > > -- Dan Diephouse Envoi Solutions http://envoisolutions.com http://netzooid.com/blog From dave at brondsema.net Thu Jul 20 23:16:14 2006 From: dave at brondsema.net (Dave Brondsema) Date: Thu Jul 20 17:42:10 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Publicity Startup In-Reply-To: <44BFF6DB.4030707@envoisolutions.com> References: <44BE0395.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> <44BE4246.6000306@brondsema.net> <44BE7315.8000908@brondsema.net> <44BE7BDD.4060401@envoisolutions.com> <44BFF6DB.4030707@envoisolutions.com> Message-ID: <44C000AE.3060302@brondsema.net> Great! http://gr-jug.org/ lists the Grand Rapids User Groups. Not sure how to reach XP W MI; have you tried registering on their site to see what that offers? Dan Diephouse wrote: > OK got a lot of these. And things like the local perl mongers and linux > user groups. > > Anyone know what the best way to contact the XP West michigan group is? > Also are there any other GR specific user groups that I missed? > > - Dan > > Dan Diephouse wrote: >> Thanks for these. I'll get on this tomorrow. In the meantime I did >> blog at least ;-) >> >> http://netzooid.com/blog/2006/07/19/barcamp-grand-rapids-is-a-go/ >> >> - Dan >> >> Dave Brondsema wrote: >>> Dave Brondsema wrote: >>> >>>> Broader geographically, especially since this is the first Michigan >>>> BarCamp: >>>> >>>> http://www.kalamazoolinux.org/ >>>> http://www.glugnet.org/ >>>> http://www.michipug.org/ >>>> http://www.migang.org/ >>>> http://rubymi.org/ >>>> http://myst-technology.com/mysmartchannels/public/blog/53769 (Ann Arbor >>>> Computing Society ) >>>> >>>> And more: http://www.google.com/search?q=michigan+%22users+group%22 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> More: >>> >>> http://www.glimawest.org/ >>> http://www.gramug.org/ >>> http://www.wmaitp.org/ >>> >>> General GR events pages: >>> http://www.g-rad.org/ >>> http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/cal/ >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Barcamp-organizers mailing list >>> Barcamp-organizers@gr-jug.org >>> http://gr-jug.org/mailman/listinfo/barcamp-organizers >>> >> >> > > -- Dave Brondsema Software Developer Cornerstone University -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have no idea where this might be, but I would definitely be willing to sponsor some beer (provided my company name was mentioned or something)... - Dan -- Dan Diephouse Envoi Solutions http://envoisolutions.com http://netzooid.com/blog From dave at brondsema.net Thu Jul 20 23:38:44 2006 From: dave at brondsema.net (Dave Brondsema) Date: Thu Jul 20 22:04:39 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Beer? In-Reply-To: <44C01ADF.506@envoisolutions.com> References: <44C01ADF.506@envoisolutions.com> Message-ID: <44C03E34.3040309@brondsema.net> +0 ('I don't feel strongly about it, but I'm okey with this.') Dan Diephouse wrote: > I was refraining from bringing this up, but since it came up on > abstraction... I don't know that I've ever been to a conference without > beer. Are we interested in having a beer portion of the conference > somewhere later that night? I have no idea where this might be, but I > would definitely be willing to sponsor some beer (provided my company > name was mentioned or something)... > > - Dan > -- Dave Brondsema : dave@brondsema.net http://www.brondsema.net : personal http://www.splike.com : programming <>< -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 258 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://gr-jug.org/pipermail/barcamp-organizers/attachments/20060720/c5277d9a/signature.bin From kadams at gfs.com Thu Jul 20 23:45:47 2006 From: kadams at gfs.com (Kyle Adams) Date: Thu Jul 20 22:11:44 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Beer? Message-ID: <44C0079B02000052000083D9@mail2.gfs.com> Alcohol has always tasted like cough syrup to me, so I'm a teatotaler. That said, Dan if you want to sponsor something I'd be all up for it. I'd suggest making it a couple rounds at a local brewery so we can avoid any complications with Calvin's "dry campus" policy. I know the RubyConf that's going on the following weekend (http://www.rubyconfmi.org/) is looking at having a post-conference social at the Grand Rapids Brewing Co. so we might want to shy away from that. With that said, I have absolutely no idea what other good breweries are in town. I'll check with some beer afficionados at work. Kyle PS - RubyConf is a topic for another e-mail. _____ Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 From kadams at gfs.com Thu Jul 20 23:49:38 2006 From: kadams at gfs.com (Kyle Adams) Date: Thu Jul 20 22:15:39 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] RubyConf Message-ID: <44C0088202000052000083DD@mail2.gfs.com> As I mentioned previously, RubyConf is going on the very next weekend, also at Calvin. I don't want these conferences to be seen as competing with each other, but rather as cooperating. Consequently I've been talking with AJ Penninga (a fellow Calvin alum) who's been in on the planning for RubyConf. He was going to e-mail Zach Dennis (zdennis@mktec.com) to see about opening the lines of communication between us. (Buzzword alert!) I'd like to build some real synergy between the conferences. Mmm... Synergize! Teddy K! Kyle _____ Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 From kadams at gfs.com Fri Jul 21 16:59:00 2006 From: kadams at gfs.com (Kyle Adams) Date: Fri Jul 21 15:24:57 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Schedule Message-ID: <44C0F9C3.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> So what time should we start on Friday? And what time should we wrap-up on Saturday? Here are my suggestions: FRIDAY 5:00 PM - Commence setup; all arrivals are registered and given setup tasks 5:00-6:00 PM - Check-in and setup 6:00-7:00 PM - DINNER 7:00 PM - Kick things off with opening session 7:30-9:30 PM - Sessions every 1/2 hour 10:00 PM - End of last session OVERNIGHT 10:00 PM-whenever the next morning - Camping, all-night hacking, etc. SATURDAY 9:00-10:00 AM - BREAKFAST 10:30 AM-12:00 PM - Sessions every 1/2 hour 12:00-1:00 PM - LUNCH 1:00-4:00 PM - Sessions every 1/2 hour 4:00-4:30 PM - Closing session 4:30-5:30 PM - Cleanup Open question: if we do a conference social, where do we fit it in at? The end (i.e. after 5:30 on Saturday)? Friday night to get things off to a good start? Kyle _____ Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 From dan at envoisolutions.com Fri Jul 21 18:03:34 2006 From: dan at envoisolutions.com (Dan Diephouse) Date: Fri Jul 21 16:29:25 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Schedule In-Reply-To: <44C0F9C3.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> References: <44C0F9C3.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> Message-ID: <44C14126.6050300@envoisolutions.com> Looks good. I say we maybe do a social Friday night. A lot of people won't be able to commit two nights I'm sure. Spouses tend to not like that from what I have gathered. :-) On Saturday, lets maybe plan on wrapping up at 530, but we can do it earlier or later depending on the feel of the crowd. What about a 9:30 social somewhere? I'll try to come up with a good place. Any word on the # of attendees so far? - Dan Kyle Adams wrote: > So what time should we start on Friday? > > And what time should we wrap-up on Saturday? > > Here are my suggestions: > > FRIDAY > > 5:00 PM - Commence setup; all arrivals are registered and given setup > tasks > 5:00-6:00 PM - Check-in and setup > > 6:00-7:00 PM - DINNER > > 7:00 PM - Kick things off with opening session > 7:30-9:30 PM - Sessions every 1/2 hour > 10:00 PM - End of last session > > OVERNIGHT > > 10:00 PM-whenever the next morning - Camping, all-night hacking, etc. > > SATURDAY > > 9:00-10:00 AM - BREAKFAST > > 10:30 AM-12:00 PM - Sessions every 1/2 hour > > 12:00-1:00 PM - LUNCH > > 1:00-4:00 PM - Sessions every 1/2 hour > 4:00-4:30 PM - Closing session > 4:30-5:30 PM - Cleanup > > Open question: if we do a conference social, where do we fit it in at? > The end (i.e. after 5:30 on Saturday)? Friday night to get things off > to a good start? > > Kyle > > _____ > > Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 > _______________________________________________ > Barcamp-organizers mailing list > Barcamp-organizers@gr-jug.org > http://gr-jug.org/mailman/listinfo/barcamp-organizers > -- Dan Diephouse Envoi Solutions http://envoisolutions.com http://netzooid.com/blog From kadams at gfs.com Sun Jul 23 15:37:35 2006 From: kadams at gfs.com (Kyle Adams) Date: Sun Jul 23 14:03:29 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Fwd: Re: Calvin's Dry Campus Policy References: <44C0ED50.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> <036bba507d2cc17f12e44377a21f1b9b@calvin.edu> Message-ID: <44C389AD.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> FYI, I think most of the folks actively organizing saw this, but just to include it on the list... _____ Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 >>> Joel Adams 7/22/2006 10:41 PM >>> On Jul 21, 2006, at 3:05 PM, Kyle Adams wrote: > Being Friday and all... > > The issue of alcoholic beverages has been raised in conjunction with > BarCampGR in several different contexts. I have no idea how Calvin's > dry campus policy applies to events like this, so I thought some > clarifications could be helpful: > > * We're looking at having a conference social, likely on Friday night > or Saturday after things wrap up. Said social could probably occur at > a > brewery, pub, or someplace with alcohol. I assume that's not a problem > for Calvin if it's off-campus, but I just wanted to verify. I'm also > keeping an eye open to make sure the teatotalers (including myself) and > underage are also provided with adequate non-alcoholic beverages at > said > social. It's not a problem for Calvin, provided no one is drunk when they come to campus. There are departments at Calvin that are known to hold monthly meetings at Grand Rapids Brewing Co., which is near by. "All things in moderation" and all that. > * Some conference attendees may want to bring their own personal supply > of a favorite beverage (be it Mountain Dew, Red Bull, or Guinness). > Should we let attendees know that alcoholic beverages aren't kosher > on-campus? Or is this more a don't ask, don't tell sort of thing? I would tell people that the policy is no alcohol on campus, period, and that given the unusual nature of this camp, security will likely be around to check on things Friday night and Saturday. My guess is that if security came around and found alcohol, they might well shut down the meeting and escort the group off-campus. I don't think this is a "don't ask don't tell" situation; it's a "don't tempt fate" situation. So soft drinks are fine, but I would strongly discourage anyone from bringing alcohol to the camp. > * A poster on abs-chat suggested brewing your own beer as a potential > topic of interest. I have no idea if we'll have anyone attending who > could present on it, but I wanted to check and see how Calvin's > policies > would apply in the case of something semi-educational like this. I don't see that as a problem, so long as no "samples" were brought to campus. The policy is "no alcohol or drunkenness on campus", and so long as a presentation on home-brewing did not bring actual alcohol or drunken folk to campus, I think it's permissible under the policy. There are Calvin faculty who are known to brew their own beer; they just don't bring it on campus... Keith, does this sound right to you? -Joel. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Joel C. Adams, Ph.D. "Two excesses: Department of Computer Science to exclude reason, Calvin College to admit nothing but reason." Grand Rapids, MI 49546 - Blaise Pascal, Pens?es Ph: 616-957-8562 FAX: 616-957-6501 http://www.calvin.edu/~adams From jeff at demaagd.com Sun Jul 23 22:04:46 2006 From: jeff at demaagd.com (Jeff DeMaagd) Date: Sun Jul 23 20:30:37 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Re: BarCampGrandRapids In-Reply-To: <37150.127.0.0.1.1153680528.squirrel@localhost> References: <54414.127.0.0.1.1153418188.squirrel@localhost> <44C10827.3040909@escription.com> <37150.127.0.0.1.1153680528.squirrel@localhost> Message-ID: <44C41CAE.1040009@demaagd.com> Kyle Adams wrote: >> Agreed. I'm definitely interested in a few of Kyle's and Dan's >> presentations. Videos and/or posted presentaion material would be >> very cool. > We'll see what we can do about that. If there are attendees willing to > pitch in with the posting/recording of the sessions, then it'll probably > get done. I can contribute some video equipment (camera and tripod), but > no firewire-enabled laptop to hook up to them. > I have a fair amount of video equipment if a second camera is needed. I'm not sure why you'd need a FW notebook on-site for that purpose, unless you want to demonstrate the process. I can do that work at home, though I can put off selling my notebook for a couple weeks. Kyle Adams wrote: >> What do you plan to do that needs seven wireless access points? >> > Whatever we want :-) Actually I think we're just making sure there's > plenty of wireless coverage at all conference locations (on the 2nd floor > of NH). How many simultaneous sessions are you planning? That's plenty for demonstrating a mesh network, if someone was so inclined. Jeff From kadams at gfs.com Sat Jul 22 12:35:14 2006 From: kadams at gfs.com (Kyle Adams) Date: Sun Jul 23 21:25:53 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Publicity Campaign Message-ID: <44C20D7202000052000087E4@mail2.gfs.com> FYI, I'm going to be publicizing BarCamp at GFS next week. I'll be using the attached PDF. Each page represents one sign for one day, thought the pages are a bit out of order. Day #1: Put up page #1 (only "bar") Day #2: Remove page #1 and replace it with page #3 ("barcamp") Day #3: Remove page #3 and replace it with page #4 ("barcamp" w/Grand Rapids) Day #4: Remove page #4 and replace it with page #2 (with website URLs) GFS has a number of bulletin boards scattered in lunch rooms. These bulletin boards are typically used for classified postings, advertising local plays, basically whatever employees want to use it for. I'll be printing a number of copies of each sign and filling in all of the empty space on each bulletin board with as many copies as I can fit on it. All of those copies come down the next day and are replaced by the next sign. The final sign has all of the info, so I'll probably leave it up for the remainder of the week (and probably the next). Feel free to use; I'll also be adding it to the wiki. Kyle _____ Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: sign_blitz.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 66872 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://gr-jug.org/pipermail/barcamp-organizers/attachments/20060722/4087e359/sign_blitz-0001.pdf From dave at brondsema.net Sun Jul 23 23:28:19 2006 From: dave at brondsema.net (Dave Brondsema) Date: Sun Jul 23 21:54:18 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Publicity Campaign In-Reply-To: <44C20D7202000052000087E4@mail2.gfs.com> References: <44C20D7202000052000087E4@mail2.gfs.com> Message-ID: <44C43043.5080108@brondsema.net> You really like the minimalist approach, don't you? Besides the "filling in all of the empty space" part of your strategy :-) I bet Dan's company gets highest percentage attendance ;-) I've promoted this to the 5 or so guys at Cornerstone who could be interested and have good responses and a couple of registrations already. Kyle Adams wrote: > FYI, I'm going to be publicizing BarCamp at GFS next week. I'll be > using the attached PDF. Each page represents one sign for one day, > thought the pages are a bit out of order. > > Day #1: Put up page #1 (only "bar") > Day #2: Remove page #1 and replace it with page #3 ("barcamp") > Day #3: Remove page #3 and replace it with page #4 ("barcamp" w/Grand > Rapids) > Day #4: Remove page #4 and replace it with page #2 (with website URLs) > > GFS has a number of bulletin boards scattered in lunch rooms. These > bulletin boards are typically used for classified postings, advertising > local plays, basically whatever employees want to use it for. > > I'll be printing a number of copies of each sign and filling in all of > the empty space on each bulletin board with as many copies as I can fit > on it. All of those copies come down the next day and are replaced by > the next sign. The final sign has all of the info, so I'll probably > leave it up for the remainder of the week (and probably the next). > > Feel free to use; I'll also be adding it to the wiki. > > Kyle > > _____ > > Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Barcamp-organizers mailing list > Barcamp-organizers@gr-jug.org > http://gr-jug.org/mailman/listinfo/barcamp-organizers -- Dave Brondsema : dave@brondsema.net http://www.brondsema.net : personal http://www.splike.com : programming <>< -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 258 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://gr-jug.org/pipermail/barcamp-organizers/attachments/20060723/5e311c44/signature.bin From kadams at gfs.com Mon Jul 24 09:36:49 2006 From: kadams at gfs.com (Kyle Adams) Date: Mon Jul 24 08:02:36 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Publicity Campaign In-Reply-To: <44C43043.5080108@brondsema.net> References: <44C20D7202000052000087E4@mail2.gfs.com> <44C43043.5080108@brondsema.net> Message-ID: <44C486A0.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> >>> Dave Brondsema 7/23/2006 10:28 PM >>> You really like the minimalist approach, don't you? Besides the "filling in all of the empty space" part of your strategy :-) >>> Simplicity is a very powerful concept. _____ Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 From kadams at gfs.com Mon Jul 24 09:53:15 2006 From: kadams at gfs.com (Kyle Adams) Date: Mon Jul 24 08:19:03 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Re: BarCampGrandRapids In-Reply-To: <44C41CAE.1040009@demaagd.com> References: <54414.127.0.0.1.1153418188.squirrel@localhost> <44C10827.3040909@escription.com> <37150.127.0.0.1.1153680528.squirrel@localhost> <44C41CAE.1040009@demaagd.com> Message-ID: <44C48A7A.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> > I'm not sure why you'd need a FW notebook on-site for that purpose, > unless you want to demonstrate the process. The thought was to reduce turnaround time and just get the job done. I know that for any video I want to post, if I don't complete the job at BarCamp it probably won't get done. If we have a firewire computer on-site, we can hook it up to the video camera, record directly to the computer, make some minor modifications (e.g. compress and save to whatever file format), post it ASAP, and have it done with. > How many simultaneous sessions are you planning? 3 to start with, 4 if we need. But we need to provide wireless coverage to more than just the classrooms, since there will also be folks working in classrooms, camping out in hallways, etc. _____ Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 From kadams at gfs.com Mon Jul 24 09:56:45 2006 From: kadams at gfs.com (Kyle Adams) Date: Mon Jul 24 08:22:33 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Re: BarCampGrandRapids In-Reply-To: <44C48A7A.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> References: <54414.127.0.0.1.1153418188.squirrel@localhost> <44C10827.3040909@escription.com> <37150.127.0.0.1.1153680528.squirrel@localhost> <44C41CAE.1040009@demaagd.com> <44C48A7A.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> Message-ID: <44C48B4C.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> > coverage to more than just the classrooms, since there will also be > folks working in classrooms, camping out in hallways, etc. To clarify: we have some classrooms reserved as informal working spaces if you'd rather hack away on a personal project than attend a session. So we need to cover all the rooms we have reserved, not just those being used for the three session tracks. Kyle _____ Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 From jeff at demaagd.com Mon Jul 24 11:25:37 2006 From: jeff at demaagd.com (Jeff DeMaagd) Date: Mon Jul 24 09:51:33 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Publicity Campaign In-Reply-To: <44C486A0.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> References: <44C20D7202000052000087E4@mail2.gfs.com> <44C43043.5080108@brondsema.net> <44C486A0.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> Message-ID: <44C4D861.1060504@demaagd.com> Kyle Adams wrote: >>>> Dave Brondsema 7/23/2006 10:28 PM >>> >>>> > You really like the minimalist approach, don't you? Besides the > "filling > in all of the empty space" part of your strategy :-) > > > Simplicity is a very powerful concept. > Your designs would work as-is if the logo/ title tells the audience what it's about. You've already seen how that is misleading. Jeff From dave at brondsema.net Mon Jul 24 15:29:24 2006 From: dave at brondsema.net (Dave Brondsema) Date: Mon Jul 24 09:55:10 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Schedule In-Reply-To: <44C14126.6050300@envoisolutions.com> References: <44C0F9C3.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> <44C14126.6050300@envoisolutions.com> Message-ID: <44C4D944.6020200@brondsema.net> 13 registrations, plus a few more on the barcamp@gr-jug.org mailing list who haven't subscribed. I concur with Dan's thoughts. We could drop Friday dinner if we are not able to get all our meals donated. I think we'll want to mix up the schedule with some periods for demos, lightning talks, etc. But we can plan that at the conference. Dan Diephouse wrote: > Looks good. I say we maybe do a social Friday night. A lot of people > won't be able to commit two nights I'm sure. Spouses tend to not like > that from what I have gathered. :-) > > On Saturday, lets maybe plan on wrapping up at 530, but we can do it > earlier or later depending on the feel of the crowd. > > What about a 9:30 social somewhere? I'll try to come up with a good > place. Any word on the # of attendees so far? > > - Dan > > > Kyle Adams wrote: >> So what time should we start on Friday? >> >> And what time should we wrap-up on Saturday? >> >> Here are my suggestions: >> >> FRIDAY >> >> 5:00 PM - Commence setup; all arrivals are registered and given setup >> tasks >> 5:00-6:00 PM - Check-in and setup >> >> 6:00-7:00 PM - DINNER >> >> 7:00 PM - Kick things off with opening session >> 7:30-9:30 PM - Sessions every 1/2 hour >> 10:00 PM - End of last session >> >> OVERNIGHT >> >> 10:00 PM-whenever the next morning - Camping, all-night hacking, etc. >> >> SATURDAY >> >> 9:00-10:00 AM - BREAKFAST >> >> 10:30 AM-12:00 PM - Sessions every 1/2 hour >> >> 12:00-1:00 PM - LUNCH >> >> 1:00-4:00 PM - Sessions every 1/2 hour >> 4:00-4:30 PM - Closing session >> 4:30-5:30 PM - Cleanup >> >> Open question: if we do a conference social, where do we fit it in at? >> The end (i.e. after 5:30 on Saturday)? Friday night to get things off >> to a good start? >> >> Kyle >> >> _____ >> >> Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 >> _______________________________________________ >> Barcamp-organizers mailing list >> Barcamp-organizers@gr-jug.org >> http://gr-jug.org/mailman/listinfo/barcamp-organizers >> > > -- Dave Brondsema Software Developer Cornerstone University -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Kyle _____ Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 From jeff at demaagd.com Mon Jul 24 11:43:47 2006 From: jeff at demaagd.com (Jeff DeMaagd) Date: Mon Jul 24 10:09:37 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Publicity Campaign In-Reply-To: <44C4A1D9.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> References: <44C20D7202000052000087E4@mail2.gfs.com> <44C43043.5080108@brondsema.net> <44C486A0.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> <44C4D861.1060504@demaagd.com> <44C4A1D9.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> Message-ID: <44C4DCA3.6090201@demaagd.com> Kyle Adams wrote: >> Your designs would work as-is if the logo/ title tells the audience >> > what > it's about. You've already seen how that is misleading. < > > I'm not really concerned about misleading. They have to visit the site > if they're going to attend and any misconceptions should vanish as soon > as they start reading the site. > Do you expect all of your target audience to be the booze swilling types? Jeff From dave at brondsema.net Mon Jul 24 15:44:05 2006 From: dave at brondsema.net (Dave Brondsema) Date: Mon Jul 24 10:09:49 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Publicity Campaign In-Reply-To: <44C4A1D9.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> References: <44C20D7202000052000087E4@mail2.gfs.com> <44C43043.5080108@brondsema.net> <44C486A0.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> <44C4D861.1060504@demaagd.com> <44C4A1D9.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> Message-ID: <44C4DCB5.6090404@brondsema.net> Kyle Adams wrote: >> Your designs would work as-is if the logo/ title tells the audience > what > it's about. You've already seen how that is misleading. < > > I'm not really concerned about misleading. They have to visit the site > if they're going to attend and any misconceptions should vanish as soon > as they start reading the site. > But if they are mislead as to what it is about, they may not visit the site at all. -- Dave Brondsema Software Developer Cornerstone University -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm willing to take the risk. _____ Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 From kadams at gfs.com Mon Jul 24 12:05:37 2006 From: kadams at gfs.com (Kyle Adams) Date: Mon Jul 24 10:31:24 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Publicity Campaign In-Reply-To: <44C4DCA3.6090201@demaagd.com> References: <44C20D7202000052000087E4@mail2.gfs.com> <44C43043.5080108@brondsema.net> <44C486A0.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> <44C4D861.1060504@demaagd.com> <44C4A1D9.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> <44C4DCA3.6090201@demaagd.com> Message-ID: <44C4A981.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> > Do you expect all of your target audience to be the booze swilling types? < Not as likely at my workplace. Besides, the community tends to be self-correcting, as we saw on abs-chat. _____ Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 From kadams at gfs.com Mon Jul 24 14:31:42 2006 From: kadams at gfs.com (Kyle Adams) Date: Mon Jul 24 12:57:29 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Fwd: Re: [GR-Jug] Re: BarCamp References: <44B8371002000052000073F8@mail2.gfs.com> <44BAA0A9.3060305@calvin.edu> <44BB4AE2.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> <67680CFC-C2BF-4693-B9A9-7C93D40FA6AA@calvin.edu> <44BBC335.4080701@calvin.edu> <44BB953B.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> <9A09E145-33FD-4ECF-B4F1-3DA7AF42F193@calvin.edu> <44BBBF3A.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> <576B2AA1-D163-410A-9EC9-7EA4D48AD207@calvin.edu> <44BF8CBE.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> Message-ID: <44C4CBBD.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> FYI... _____ Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 >>> Joel Adams 7/24/2006 8:57 AM >>> Ok, we've hit a snag. I had a phone call this morning from campus events, and our Biology dept already has those rooms reserved for all day Saturday, to give "the NCAT" -- some standardized test. Campus events was being staffed by a student when I called previously, so the conflict was not found until her supervisor came on the scene. So we are in the process of trying to reserve rooms in the Science Building instead. Campus events is double-checking that this "overnight reservation" is okay with security and physical plant, and will (hopefully) confirm things soon. -Joel. From dave at brondsema.net Mon Jul 24 23:27:19 2006 From: dave at brondsema.net (Dave Brondsema) Date: Mon Jul 24 21:53:12 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Beyond user groups In-Reply-To: <44C20D7202000052000087E4@mail2.gfs.com> References: <44C20D7202000052000087E4@mail2.gfs.com> Message-ID: <44C58187.8050305@brondsema.net> Kyle Adams wrote: > FYI, I'm going to be publicizing BarCamp at GFS next week. I'll be > using the attached PDF. Each page represents one sign for one day, > thought the pages are a bit out of order. > I think it'd be great of we could advertise BarCamp beyond the user groups. There are probably lots of people who aren't passionate enough about programming & design to be a member of a user group but would participate in BarCamp. GFS as a prime example has a large IT dept of potential BarCampers, few of which are on user group mailing lists. I think the obvious difficulty is reaching those people, though. One relatively easy way would be in our first email to barcamp@gr-jug.org to offer Kyle's BarCamp signs, so those who already buy in to BarCamp have an easy way to spread the word. Any other ideas? -- Dave Brondsema : dave@brondsema.net http://www.brondsema.net : personal http://www.splike.com : programming <>< -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd like to see it include: * A request for ideas/expectations for the camp * A reminder to be thinking about presentation materials * Pointers to presentation resources (http://www.presentationzen.com/ is my favorite blog on the topic, and there's always the S3 for putting presentations in a web-enabled format) * A request for volunteers (cleanup and setup primarily) * A request for marketing along with pointers to materials In the same vein, we should probably re-factor the BarCampGrandRapids page so that it features a marketing section along with appropriate downloads. Just another way to give easy access/encouragement to anyone interested in promoting it at their workplace. As an aside, reaction to the barcamp signs here at work has been interesting: * Someone (ones?) modified the "bar" sign at my cubicle. A martini glass was added, and later a separate sheet taped on over top that added the word "Tiki" to "bar". Funny, but predictable. * The bar signs were removed from one of the lunch rooms. My unknown opponent will probably be surprised at the "barcamp" signs that just showed up in the same spots. I should also mention that I asked for and received permission from a senior manager before posting the signs, so I'm not too worried about causing problems. We'll see if the signs are still up tomorrow. * While swapping signs in another lunch room, our building maintenance guy (a very possible candidate for my unknown opponent) stopped by and chatted with me about BarCamp. After I explained it was part of a series of signs and that they were advertising for a technical conference he mentioned that I "sure had everyone's attention with this" while pointing the word "bar". * An IS co-worker stopped by just after and said "now I understand!" Apparently he's familiar with BarCamp, or he's on one of those user lists. I directed him to our site and registration. Kyle _____ Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 From dave at brondsema.net Wed Jul 26 19:16:38 2006 From: dave at brondsema.net (Dave Brondsema) Date: Wed Jul 26 13:42:22 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Beyond user groups In-Reply-To: <44C63184.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> References: <44C20D7202000052000087E4@mail2.gfs.com> <44C58187.8050305@brondsema.net> <44C63184.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> Message-ID: <44C7B186.10404@brondsema.net> Kyle Adams wrote: >> Any other ideas? < > > I like Dave's idea. I also think we should get that first e-mail out > ASAP. ++1 > Any takers on actually writing it? I'd like to see it include: -1 me A draft to this list first would be good > > * A request for ideas/expectations for the camp > * A reminder to be thinking about presentation materials > * Pointers to presentation resources (http://www.presentationzen.com/ > is my favorite blog on the topic, and there's always the S3 for putting > presentations in a web-enabled format) > * A request for volunteers (cleanup and setup primarily) > * A request for marketing along with pointers to materials > > In the same vein, we should probably re-factor the BarCampGrandRapids > page so that it features a marketing section along with appropriate > downloads. Just another way to give easy access/encouragement to anyone > interested in promoting it at their workplace. > > As an aside, reaction to the barcamp signs here at work has been > interesting: > > * Someone (ones?) modified the "bar" sign at my cubicle. A martini > glass was added, and later a separate sheet taped on over top that added > the word "Tiki" to "bar". Funny, but predictable. > > * The bar signs were removed from one of the lunch rooms. My unknown > opponent will probably be surprised at the "barcamp" signs that just > showed up in the same spots. I should also mention that I asked for and > received permission from a senior manager before posting the signs, so > I'm not too worried about causing problems. We'll see if the signs are > still up tomorrow. > > * While swapping signs in another lunch room, our building maintenance > guy (a very possible candidate for my unknown opponent) stopped by and > chatted with me about BarCamp. After I explained it was part of a > series of signs and that they were advertising for a technical > conference he mentioned that I "sure had everyone's attention with this" > while pointing the word "bar". > > * An IS co-worker stopped by just after and said "now I understand!" > Apparently he's familiar with BarCamp, or he's on one of those user > lists. I directed him to our site and registration. > > Kyle > > _____ > > Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 > _______________________________________________ > Barcamp-organizers mailing list > Barcamp-organizers@gr-jug.org > http://gr-jug.org/mailman/listinfo/barcamp-organizers > -- Dave Brondsema Software Developer Cornerstone University -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We can also contact http://www.grafug.com/ (maybe) > > - Dan > > Dan Diephouse wrote: > >> Thanks for these. I'll get on this tomorrow. In the meantime I did >> blog at least ;-) >> >> http://netzooid.com/blog/2006/07/19/barcamp-grand-rapids-is-a-go/ >> >> - Dan >> >> Dave Brondsema wrote: >> >>> Dave Brondsema wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Broader geographically, especially since this is the first Michigan >>>> BarCamp: >>>> >>>> http://www.kalamazoolinux.org/ >>>> http://www.glugnet.org/ >>>> http://www.michipug.org/ >>>> http://www.migang.org/ >>>> http://rubymi.org/ >>>> http://myst-technology.com/mysmartchannels/public/blog/53769 (Ann Arbor >>>> Computing Society ) >>>> >>>> And more: http://www.google.com/search?q=michigan+%22users+group%22 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> More: >>> >>> http://www.glimawest.org/ >>> http://www.gramug.org/ >>> http://www.wmaitp.org/ >>> >>> General GR events pages: >>> http://www.g-rad.org/ >>> http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/cal/ >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Barcamp-organizers mailing list >>> Barcamp-organizers@gr-jug.org >>> http://gr-jug.org/mailman/listinfo/barcamp-organizers >>> >> >> >> > > -- Dave Brondsema : dave@brondsema.net http://www.brondsema.net : personal http://www.splike.com : programming <>< -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Invite them! _____ Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 From aj at penninga.net Fri Jul 28 12:42:36 2006 From: aj at penninga.net (AJ Penninga) Date: Fri Jul 28 11:10:11 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Video Casts Message-ID: <8D12BDCD-8B83-4F9D-9261-7DFEAFC55C89@penninga.net> Hey gang. I can volunteer to bring my mac mini (iMovie) to capture the sessions. I've got an external HD also. I'll need a monitor for it, but that should be easy to come by. And since I'm staff at calvin, I might be able to get some pull to try to get a DV camera from the AV department. I'll check next week when I'm on campus. -- AJ Penninga [ http://ajp.net ] From dan at envoisolutions.com Fri Jul 28 13:38:53 2006 From: dan at envoisolutions.com (Dan Diephouse) Date: Fri Jul 28 15:04:28 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Publicity Startup In-Reply-To: <44C80A5B.5040400@brondsema.net> References: <44BE0395.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> <44BE4246.6000306@brondsema.net> <44BE7315.8000908@brondsema.net> <44BE7BDD.4060401@envoisolutions.com> <44BFF6DB.4030707@envoisolutions.com> <44C80A5B.5040400@brondsema.net> Message-ID: <44CA67CD.4090801@envoisolutions.com> Hiya, Sorry for the delayed response, I've been gone at OSCON this week. Anyway... Dave Brondsema wrote: > Dan Diephouse wrote: > >> OK got a lot of these. And things like the local perl mongers and linux >> user groups. >> > > Any ones that you didn't get yet? Just ones that didn't have an email/forum - XP WM, Ann Arbor CS > >> Anyone know what the best way to contact the XP West michigan group is? >> Also are there any other GR specific user groups that I missed? > > > Any luck here? I ran into a bunch of atomic object guys last night in Portland and they gave me carl's email address, so yes! I'll give you an update when I hear back. > > We can also contact http://www.grafug.com/ (maybe) > Ewww fox pro :-) - Dan -- Dan Diephouse (616) 971-2053 Envoi Solutions LLC http://netzooid.com From kadams at gfs.com Fri Jul 28 16:46:06 2006 From: kadams at gfs.com (Kyle Adams) Date: Fri Jul 28 15:11:47 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Publicity Startup In-Reply-To: <44CA67CD.4090801@envoisolutions.com> References: <44BE0395.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> <44BE4246.6000306@brondsema.net> <44BE7315.8000908@brondsema.net> <44BE7BDD.4060401@envoisolutions.com> <44BFF6DB.4030707@envoisolutions.com> <44C80A5B.5040400@brondsema.net> <44CA67CD.4090801@envoisolutions.com> Message-ID: <44CA313E.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> > Sorry for the delayed response, I've been gone at OSCON this week. Anyway... Lucky dog! Did you get a chance to attend OSCamp? http://oscamp.org/ Kyle _____ Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 From dan at envoisolutions.com Fri Jul 28 13:51:38 2006 From: dan at envoisolutions.com (Dan Diephouse) Date: Fri Jul 28 15:17:10 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Publicity Startup In-Reply-To: <44CA313E.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> References: <44BE0395.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> <44BE4246.6000306@brondsema.net> <44BE7315.8000908@brondsema.net> <44BE7BDD.4060401@envoisolutions.com> <44BFF6DB.4030707@envoisolutions.com> <44C80A5B.5040400@brondsema.net> <44CA67CD.4090801@envoisolutions.com> <44CA313E.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> Message-ID: <44CA6ACA.2010609@envoisolutions.com> Kyle Adams wrote: >>Sorry for the delayed response, I've been gone at OSCON this week. >> >> >Anyway... > >Lucky dog! Did you get a chance to attend OSCamp? > >http://oscamp.org/ > > I went for like an hour on monday afternoon. But things were pretty much wrapping up them. There were only like 20-30 people there and I think I missed the good parts. I was kind of busy trying to write my presentation and demo code though so I don't know that I got as much out of the conference as I should have (http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2006/view/e_sess/9065)... :-) -- Dan Diephouse (616) 971-2053 Envoi Solutions LLC http://netzooid.com From kadams at gfs.com Fri Jul 28 17:24:21 2006 From: kadams at gfs.com (Kyle Adams) Date: Fri Jul 28 15:49:58 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Publicity Startup In-Reply-To: <44CA6ACA.2010609@envoisolutions.com> References: <44BE0395.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> <44BE4246.6000306@brondsema.net> <44BE7315.8000908@brondsema.net> <44BE7BDD.4060401@envoisolutions.com> <44BFF6DB.4030707@envoisolutions.com> <44C80A5B.5040400@brondsema.net> <44CA67CD.4090801@envoisolutions.com> <44CA313E.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> <44CA6ACA.2010609@envoisolutions.com> Message-ID: <44CA3A34.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> OK, this is probably OT for a barcamp organizer mailing list, but I'm curious... > (http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2006/view/e_sess/9065)... :-) How'd your session go? What was the favorite session that you attended? Kyle _____ Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 From kadams at gfs.com Fri Jul 28 17:33:03 2006 From: kadams at gfs.com (Kyle Adams) Date: Fri Jul 28 15:58:37 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] GFS and Food Message-ID: <44CA3C3D.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> FYI, GFS has tentatively agreed to sponsor BarCamp. We're still working out the details, but it will very likely come in the form of a cash donation around $400-$500. We're also checking to see if we can get better prices (better than my 10% employee discount) on food at the Marketplace stores. GFS has asked to have their name associated with the event in some way. One idea I had was a sponsor wall next to the conference schedule wall that listed and thanked the sponsors. Kyle _____ Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 From kadams at gfs.com Fri Jul 28 17:35:28 2006 From: kadams at gfs.com (Kyle Adams) Date: Fri Jul 28 16:01:07 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Fwd: Rooms for Bar Camp References: <44C0ED50.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> <036bba507d2cc17f12e44377a21f1b9b@calvin.edu> <44C8A2F4.3050003@calvin.edu> Message-ID: <44CA3CCF.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> FYI... +1 on the idea to have doorkeepers contact-able by cell phone. Let me know if there are any questions to pass along to Professor Adams. Kyle _____ Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 >>> Joel Adams 7/28/2006 2:54 PM >>> Ok, the rooms are set for the Bar Camp. Pretty much all of the classrooms in the top floor of the science building are reserved. Specifically: SB 301, 302, 303, 334, 336, 343, and 382. Security's only concern is entry after the building closes. When are people going to arrive? The science building closes at 6 on Friday; so if it's after 6, security is willing to let a group of people in once, but they don't have the manpower to keep running over if people are going to trickle in, or want in after heading off campus for a Guiness. What we suggest instead is that you designate one or more people as doorkeepers, give out their cellphone #s, and make sure that one of them is always in the building. Then, if people arrive after 6, have them phone a doorkeeper to get in. On Saturday, the building opens at 8 am and closes at 5 pm, so you'll have free entry between those hours. But after 5 pm, you'll need to do the doorkeeper thing again. If this triggers other questions, fire away... Cheers! -Joel. On Jul 27, 2006, at 7:26 AM, Keith Vander Linden wrote: > That sounds right to me. Don't tempt fate on this one... > > keith > > > Joel Adams wrote: >> On Jul 21, 2006, at 3:05 PM, Kyle Adams wrote: >>> Being Friday and all... >>> >>> The issue of alcoholic beverages has been raised in conjunction with >>> BarCampGR in several different contexts. I have no idea how >>> Calvin's >>> dry campus policy applies to events like this, so I thought some >>> clarifications could be helpful: >>> >>> * We're looking at having a conference social, likely on Friday >>> night >>> or Saturday after things wrap up. Said social could probably >>> occur at a >>> brewery, pub, or someplace with alcohol. I assume that's not a >>> problem >>> for Calvin if it's off-campus, but I just wanted to verify. I'm >>> also >>> keeping an eye open to make sure the teatotalers (including >>> myself) and >>> underage are also provided with adequate non-alcoholic beverages >>> at said >>> social. >> >> It's not a problem for Calvin, provided no one is drunk when they >> come to campus. >> There are departments at Calvin that are known to hold monthly >> meetings at >> Grand Rapids Brewing Co., which is near by. "All things in >> moderation" and all that. >> >>> * Some conference attendees may want to bring their own personal >>> supply >>> of a favorite beverage (be it Mountain Dew, Red Bull, or Guinness). >>> Should we let attendees know that alcoholic beverages aren't kosher >>> on-campus? Or is this more a don't ask, don't tell sort of thing? >> >> I would tell people that the policy is no alcohol on campus, period, >> and that given the unusual nature of this camp, security will >> likely be >> around to check on things Friday night and Saturday. >> >> My guess is that if security came around and found alcohol, they >> might >> well shut down the meeting and escort the group off-campus. I >> don't think >> this is a "don't ask don't tell" situation; it's a "don't tempt >> fate" situation. >> >> So soft drinks are fine, but I would strongly discourage anyone from >> bringing alcohol to the camp. >> >>> * A poster on abs-chat suggested brewing your own beer as a >>> potential >>> topic of interest. I have no idea if we'll have anyone attending >>> who >>> could present on it, but I wanted to check and see how Calvin's >>> policies >>> would apply in the case of something semi-educational like this. >> >> I don't see that as a problem, so long as no "samples" were >> brought to >> campus. The policy is "no alcohol or drunkenness on campus", and >> so long as >> a presentation on home-brewing did not bring actual alcohol or >> drunken folk >> to campus, I think it's permissible under the policy. There are >> Calvin faculty >> who are known to brew their own beer; they just don't bring it on >> campus... >> >> Keith, does this sound right to you? >> >> -Joel. >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Joel C. Adams, Ph.D. "Two excesses: >> Department of Computer Science to exclude reason, >> Calvin College to admit nothing but reason." >> Grand Rapids, MI 49546 - Blaise Pascal, Pens?es >> Ph: 616-957-8562 >> FAX: 616-957-6501 http://www.calvin.edu/~adams >> -Joel. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Prof. Joel Adams CS Dept, Calvin College http://www.calvin.edu/~adams From kadams at gfs.com Fri Jul 28 17:43:43 2006 From: kadams at gfs.com (Kyle Adams) Date: Fri Jul 28 16:09:19 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Beyond user groups In-Reply-To: <44C7B186.10404@brondsema.net> References: <44C20D7202000052000087E4@mail2.gfs.com> <44C58187.8050305@brondsema.net> <44C63184.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> <44C7B186.10404@brondsema.net> Message-ID: <44CA3EBE.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> >> Any takers on actually writing it? I'd like to see it include: > > -1 me I'm currently working on a draft to send to the list. It should be ready for review sometime this weekend or Monday at the latest. Kyle _____ Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 From dave at brondsema.net Sun Jul 30 20:15:55 2006 From: dave at brondsema.net (Dave Brondsema) Date: Sun Jul 30 18:41:45 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Fwd: Rooms for Bar Camp In-Reply-To: <44CA3CCF.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> References: <44C0ED50.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> <036bba507d2cc17f12e44377a21f1b9b@calvin.edu> <44C8A2F4.3050003@calvin.edu> <44CA3CCF.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> Message-ID: <44CD3DAB.10302@brondsema.net> If we all go out for the night, can we call Campus Safety at midnight or whatever to let us back in? Kyle Adams wrote: > FYI... > > +1 on the idea to have doorkeepers contact-able by cell phone. > > Let me know if there are any questions to pass along to Professor Adams. > > Kyle > > _____ > > Kyle Adams | Java Developer | Gordon Food Service | 616-717-6162 > > >>>>Joel Adams 7/28/2006 2:54 PM >>> > > Ok, the rooms are set for the Bar Camp. Pretty much all of the > classrooms in the top floor of the science building are reserved. > Specifically: SB 301, 302, 303, 334, 336, 343, and 382. > > Security's only concern is entry after the building closes. When are > people going to arrive? The science building closes at 6 on Friday; > so if it's after 6, security is willing to let a group of people in > once, but they don't have the manpower to keep running over if people > are going to trickle in, or want in after heading off campus for a > Guiness. What we suggest instead is that you designate one or more > people as doorkeepers, give out their cellphone #s, and make sure > that one of them is always in the building. Then, if people arrive > after 6, have them phone a doorkeeper to get in. > > On Saturday, the building opens at 8 am and closes at 5 pm, so you'll > have free entry between those hours. But after 5 pm, you'll need to > do the doorkeeper thing again. > > If this triggers other questions, fire away... > > Cheers! > > -Joel. > > > On Jul 27, 2006, at 7:26 AM, Keith Vander Linden wrote: > > >>That sounds right to me. Don't tempt fate on this one... >> >>keith >> >> >>Joel Adams wrote: >> >>>On Jul 21, 2006, at 3:05 PM, Kyle Adams wrote: >>> >>>>Being Friday and all... >>>> >>>>The issue of alcoholic beverages has been raised in conjunction with >>>>BarCampGR in several different contexts. I have no idea how >>>>Calvin's >>>>dry campus policy applies to events like this, so I thought some >>>>clarifications could be helpful: >>>> >>>>* We're looking at having a conference social, likely on Friday >>>>night >>>>or Saturday after things wrap up. Said social could probably >>>>occur at a >>>>brewery, pub, or someplace with alcohol. I assume that's not a >>>>problem >>>>for Calvin if it's off-campus, but I just wanted to verify. I'm >>>>also >>>>keeping an eye open to make sure the teatotalers (including >>>>myself) and >>>>underage are also provided with adequate non-alcoholic beverages >>>>at said >>>>social. >>> >>>It's not a problem for Calvin, provided no one is drunk when they >>>come to campus. >>>There are departments at Calvin that are known to hold monthly >>>meetings at >>>Grand Rapids Brewing Co., which is near by. "All things in >>>moderation" and all that. >>> >>> >>>>* Some conference attendees may want to bring their own personal >>>>supply >>>>of a favorite beverage (be it Mountain Dew, Red Bull, or Guinness). >>>>Should we let attendees know that alcoholic beverages aren't kosher >>>>on-campus? Or is this more a don't ask, don't tell sort of thing? >>> >>>I would tell people that the policy is no alcohol on campus, period, >>>and that given the unusual nature of this camp, security will >>>likely be >>>around to check on things Friday night and Saturday. >>> >>>My guess is that if security came around and found alcohol, they >>>might >>>well shut down the meeting and escort the group off-campus. I >>>don't think >>>this is a "don't ask don't tell" situation; it's a "don't tempt >>>fate" situation. >>> >>>So soft drinks are fine, but I would strongly discourage anyone from >>>bringing alcohol to the camp. >>> >>> >>>>* A poster on abs-chat suggested brewing your own beer as a >>>>potential >>>>topic of interest. I have no idea if we'll have anyone attending >>>>who >>>>could present on it, but I wanted to check and see how Calvin's >>>>policies >>>>would apply in the case of something semi-educational like this. >>> >>>I don't see that as a problem, so long as no "samples" were >>>brought to >>>campus. The policy is "no alcohol or drunkenness on campus", and >>>so long as >>>a presentation on home-brewing did not bring actual alcohol or >>>drunken folk >>>to campus, I think it's permissible under the policy. There are >>>Calvin faculty >>>who are known to brew their own beer; they just don't bring it on >>>campus... >>> >>>Keith, does this sound right to you? >>> >>>-Joel. >>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>Joel C. Adams, Ph.D. "Two excesses: >>>Department of Computer Science to exclude reason, >>>Calvin College to admit nothing but reason." >>>Grand Rapids, MI 49546 - Blaise Pascal, Pens?es >>>Ph: 616-957-8562 >>>FAX: 616-957-6501 http://www.calvin.edu/~adams >>> > > > -Joel. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Prof. Joel Adams > CS Dept, Calvin College > http://www.calvin.edu/~adams > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Barcamp-organizers mailing list > Barcamp-organizers@gr-jug.org > http://gr-jug.org/mailman/listinfo/barcamp-organizers > -- Dave Brondsema : dave@brondsema.net http://www.brondsema.net : personal http://www.splike.com : programming <>< -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For what it's worth, I am willing to do some importing and encoding, off-site, and upload them as they are done, a few per week. I think trying to do all that work on-site is probably too much work. I think it's best to just worry about setting up the recordings, and enjoy the event. The basic production work, assuming it's not too fancy, is not hard work in itself, but managing everything can be a chore, and there's more room for things to go wrong. If it is all going to be done on-site, then there are several factors to consider. Kyle says he's trying to go for three or four simultaneous tracks. That presents several resource issues if all sessions are going to be recorded and encoded on-site. For one, you'd need three (or more) computers and three, more likely six or eight DV camcorders. If the session is taped then imported to computer, then you'd need one computer, one recording camcorder and one transfer camcorder (or deck) per simultaneous session. You can try recording live over firewire but there are issues with this too. The way iMovie works is that when it is importing video, it reencodes it before storing it. It can record directly (live) from the camera, but that reencoding is a hog, if that encoding chokes because of it, then you'd lose frames, and I've seen audio go out of sync when doing this as well. Other alternatives are to selectively record based on requests, then you'd have to decide which sessions to record, or scrap the idea of on-site import and encoding. Jeff From dave at brondsema.net Mon Jul 31 15:17:09 2006 From: dave at brondsema.net (Dave Brondsema) Date: Mon Jul 31 09:42:47 2006 Subject: [Barcamp-organizers] Publicity Startup In-Reply-To: <44CA67CD.4090801@envoisolutions.com> References: <44BE0395.6F65.0052.0@gfs.com> <44BE4246.6000306@brondsema.net> <44BE7315.8000908@brondsema.net> <44BE7BDD.4060401@envoisolutions.com> <44BFF6DB.4030707@envoisolutions.com> <44C80A5B.5040400@brondsema.net> <44CA67CD.4090801@envoisolutions.com> Message-ID: <44CE10E5.1050204@brondsema.net> My cousin works for the OSTG in Ann Arbor. He doesn't know what the user group scene is like over there, but said he'd spam his coworkers, many of which come to W. MI often anyway. Dan Diephouse wrote: > Hiya, > Sorry for the delayed response, I've been gone at OSCON this week. > Anyway... > > Dave Brondsema wrote: > >> Dan Diephouse wrote: >> >>> OK got a lot of these. And things like the local perl mongers and linux >>> user groups. >>> >> >> Any ones that you didn't get yet? > > Just ones that didn't have an email/forum - XP WM, Ann Arbor CS > >> >>> Anyone know what the best way to contact the XP West michigan group is? >>> Also are there any other GR specific user groups that I missed? >> >> >> Any luck here? > > I ran into a bunch of atomic object guys last night in Portland and they > gave me carl's email address, so yes! I'll give you an update when I > hear back. > >> >> We can also contact http://www.grafug.com/ (maybe) >> > Ewww fox pro :-) > > - Dan > -- Dave Brondsema Software Developer Cornerstone University -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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