From grandrapidsjavausersgroup-owner at yahoogroups.com Tue Oct 7 15:17:19 2003 From: grandrapidsjavausersgroup-owner at yahoogroups.com (grandrapidsjavausersgroup Moderator) Date: Tue Oct 7 10:24:09 2003 Subject: [GR-Jug] Welcome to the grandrapidsjavausersgroup group Message-ID: <1065536239.86.11188.w27@yahoogroups.com> Hello, I've added you to my grandrapidsjavausersgroup group at Yahoo! Groups, a free, easy-to-use email group service. As a member of this group, you may send messages to the entire group using just one email address: grandrapidsjavausersgroup@yahoogroups.com. Yahoo! Groups also makes it easy to store photos and files, coordinate events, and more. Here's a description of the group: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Grand Rapids (MI) Java Users Group (jug) welcomes anyone who is interested in learning more about Java and sharing what they already know to join our group and attend our meetings (we meet 3rd Thursday of month). 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Have fun... http://java.sun.com/features/2003/05/bloch_qa.html Stephen Grody Access Business Group - Integrations Office: 616-787-0188 Cell/Pager: 616-502-2454 From Steve_Grody at accessbusinessgroup.com Thu Oct 9 19:15:46 2003 From: Steve_Grody at accessbusinessgroup.com (Steve_Grody@accessbusinessgroup.com) Date: Thu Oct 9 18:14:54 2003 Subject: [GR-Jug] Coding competition - update requested Message-ID: Hello various group members, Apologies if you get this email more than once, but many of you are subscribed to multiple email services. grjug users should be migrating from the yahoo group to the jug@gr-jug.org (i believe Matt has mass added you there, but you need to subscribe there to start getting emails from it. I suspect we will mass remove the yahoo list members once the majority of the members have completed their subscription) At any rate, the real reason i'm sending this email is to check on the coding competition. I haven't been able to attend the mtg's lately, and i haven't even been able to work on my J2ME project. I need to know how many people are going to have a J2ME project ready to turn in next week. Please email me personally (do not respond to the group eddress) so i can tally them, to determine if we have a legitimate competition for the prizes that have been requested. I suspect we will need to extend the date out a few months, and get some external help in understanding J2ME development. (If anyone is aware of a good contact, please refer them to me, and i will see if we can utilize their expertise via a workshop/presentation). I will send another email out tomorrow evening based on the responses i get. Thanks people. Stephen Grody Access Business Group - Integrations Office: 616-787-0188 Cell/Pager: 616-502-2454 From Steve_Grody at accessbusinessgroup.com Thu Oct 9 19:15:46 2003 From: Steve_Grody at accessbusinessgroup.com (Steve_Grody@accessbusinessgroup.com) Date: Thu Oct 9 18:15:19 2003 Subject: [GR-Jug] [Grand Rapids Java Users Group] Coding competition - update requested Message-ID: Hello various group members, Apologies if you get this email more than once, but many of you are subscribed to multiple email services. grjug users should be migrating from the yahoo group to the jug@gr-jug.org (i believe Matt has mass added you there, but you need to subscribe there to start getting emails from it. I suspect we will mass remove the yahoo list members once the majority of the members have completed their subscription) At any rate, the real reason i'm sending this email is to check on the coding competition. I haven't been able to attend the mtg's lately, and i haven't even been able to work on my J2ME project. I need to know how many people are going to have a J2ME project ready to turn in next week. Please email me personally (do not respond to the group eddress) so i can tally them, to determine if we have a legitimate competition for the prizes that have been requested. I suspect we will need to extend the date out a few months, and get some external help in understanding J2ME development. (If anyone is aware of a good contact, please refer them to me, and i will see if we can utilize their expertise via a workshop/presentation). I will send another email out tomorrow evening based on the responses i get. Thanks people. Stephen Grody Access Business Group - Integrations Office: 616-787-0188 Cell/Pager: 616-502-2454 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping & No Late Fees. 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Join Us for the Michigan Java Software Symposium coming to Detroit on October 18-19th Message-ID: <009d01c38efe$8541b860$1aa88640@BIGSKYREMOTE> Michigan Java Software Symposium October 18 -19, 2003 A ?No Fluff, Just Stuff? Conference www.nofluffjuststuff.com Westin Detroit Metropolitan Airport The No Fluff Just Stuff Java Symposium Tour cordially invites you to register for the Michigan Java Software Symposium. This three day Java conference will be offered in Detroit, TX on October 18-19, 2003. MJSS 2003 is designed for Java developers, Java Architects, and technical managers who are looking for further insights on the J2EE, XML, Web Services, Best Practices and Open Source. The Michigan Java Software Symposium will feature over forty high quality technical presentations and an expert panel discussion and point/counterpoint sessions. In addition, some of the speakers are: * Ted Neward, author of the soon to be released ?Effective Enterprise Java? * Bruce Tate, author of the best seller, ?Bitter Java? and ?Bitter EJB? * Stuart Halloway, author of ?Component Development for the Java Platform? * Maciej Zawadzki, co-author of the soon to be released ?Java Development with Extreme Tools, II? * Venkat Subramaniam, President of Agile Developer * Craig Walls, co-author of ?XDoclet in Action? * Dennis Sosnoski, Developerworks contributor The Top 5 Reasons to attend the Michigan Java Software Symposium: 1). MJSS 2003 has a limited attendance of 200 people. We do this to insure a great deal of interaction between speakers and attendees. 2). MJSS 2003 presentations are content rich. You will come away with new insights/knowledge that you can immediately apply in your development environment. 3). High quality speakers who have tremendous technical depth, practical experience and the requisite knowledge transfer skills to be an excellent speaker. 4). The best value in terms of dollars/time ratio of any Java based conference currently offered. 5). The format of MJSS 2003 allows companies to send entire software development teams because of price, location and timing (held over a long weekend). Registration/Pricing Information: The registration fee for MJSS 2003 is $695/attendee. For JUG members there is a $100 discount available. Use the discount code, ?595jugmjss?. The registration fee includes admission to the symposium, symposium CD with all presentation content, handouts for each session attended and all meals/snacks. There are excellent discounts available for software development teams: 5-9 Attendees: $545/person 10-14 Attendees: $495/person 15-24 Attendees: $450/person 25-over Attendees: $425/person (Includes a free book from one of our author/speakers & NFJS T-Shirt) Want to Know More? Questions? Michigan Java Software Symposium: www.nofluffjuststuff.com/2003-08-detroit/index.jsp Contact: Jay Zimmerman, jzimmerman@nofluffjuststuff.com , (303)469-0486 Michigan Java Software Symposium -Session Schedule- October 18, 2003 7:30 ? 8:30 AM: Registration & Continental Breakfast 8:30 ? 8:45 AM: Welcome/Overview 8:45 ? 10:15 AM: Session #1: Class Loading by Stuart Halloway Java's class loader architecture provides a dynamic and extensible mechanism for building applications. You will learn how to use class loaders to deploy multiple versions of classes side-by-side in the same JVM, and how to redeploy components without shutting down servers. You will also learn how to troubleshoot class loading problems such as inversion. You will learn to use the context class loader to correctly implement factory methods, and how to load non-code resources. You will also see the problems that J2EE and other container environments pose to the standard class loading architecture. You will see that the "solutions" to these problems (the endorsed standards override mechanism and non-delegating class loaders) cause as many problems as they solve, and learn to work around the wrinkles that these non-solutions. Session #2: Enterprise Java: Principles by Ted Neward >From the book of the same name, this talk investigates the core principles that a Java developer or architect must keep in mind when designing, implementing and maintaining an enterprise Java system. Session #3: XML the Easy Way(s) by Dennis Sosnoski XML is becoming more and more a part of everyday programming. Fortunately, there are now tools available that simplify working with XML and avoid much of the pain experienced by early adopters. In this session you'll learn about the three main types of XML APIs - parsers, document models, and data bindings - with a focus on the latest developments that make XML handling easier than ever before. You'll also find out the pros and cons of each type of API, including performance and memory footprint comparisons, and see examples of actual usage through extensive sample code. Find out how to pick the right API for your application and simplify your XML programming! Session #4: Java Persistence Frameworks by Bruce Tate When your application is too complex for pure JDBC, you need to consider persistence frameworks, but the choices are daunting. Learn what makes a good persistence framework. Learn some of the common pitfalls around data persistence, and what add-ons are important for delivering good performance. You?ll first learn about the principles of persistence frameworks. Then, you?ll be able to compare and contrast the many Java persistence solutions, including in-depth discussions with Hibernate and JDO code examples. 10:15 ? 10:30 AM Break 10:30 ? 12:00 PM Session #5: Struts 1.1 by Cobbie Behrend Struts has quickly become the most widely used java server side model view controller framework. This talk will introduce you to the basic concepts of Struts as well as some features that are new to the 1.1 version of Struts such as Modules, DynaActionForms, and the Validator Framework. This session is recommended for those who are either new to Struts or the latest 1.1 release. Session #6: Effective Enterprise Java - Systems by Ted Neward In the style of works of the same title, "Effective Enterprise Java" lays out a number of items that offer practical, far-reaching advice about how to build systems using J2EE. In this talk, we will go over a number of the items in the "System" chapter, focusing on items that center around the JVM itself and its platform infrastructure. Items like "Use the right JVM", "Use independent JREs for side-by-side versioning" and "Recognize ClassLoader boundaries" will give attendees the necessary tools to start improving their J2EE applications without ever having to change a line of code. Session #7: Reflection by Stuart Halloway One of Java's most important platform services is rich type information. You will learn how to access type information through reflection, and leverage type information to generate persistent formats, data access code, and XML data bindings. You will learn how to use reflective construction to implement factory methods, and how to use reflective invocation to simulate function pointers. You will also explore the security implications of reflection and how these are managed. Session #8: JDO Compare/Contrast by Bruce Tate In this session, we?ll learn about what?s good and bad about JDO, compared to other persistence frameworks like Hibernate and EJB. We?ll also learn about how the JCP committee is hoping to improve the next iteration of JDO. If you?re already a JDO expert, this session is not for you, but if you are deciding about how well JDO might fit into your environment, this is the ideal session for you. 12:00 ? 12:45 PM: Lunch 12:45 ? 1:45 PM: Expert Panel Discussion featuring: Ted Neward, author of the soon to be released ?Effective Enterprise Architecture? Stuart Halloway, author of ?Component Development with the Java Platform? Bruce Tate, author of ?Bitter Java? & ?Bitter EJB? Maciej Zawadzki, co-author of the soon to be released ?Java Development with Extreme Tools, II? Craig Walls, co-author of the soon to be released ?XDoclet in Action? Venkat Subramaniam, President of Agile Developer, Inc. Dennis Sosnoski, President of Sosnoski Software, Inc. Mike Burba, Product Manager with Compuware, Inc. 1:45 ? 3:15 PM Session #9: Introduction to XDoclet by Craig Walls If you are developing J2EE applications, you need to be using XDoclet. This powerful tool not only saves time and unnecessary duplication, but can also reduce hard-to-find errors. This session explains what XDoclet is, why it was created, and how to use it for J2EE development. Specifically, XDoclet generates web, EJB, tag library, and vendor-specific XML deployment descriptors as well as EJB Java interfaces, and these aspects are covered in this session using interactive live demonstrations. Session #10: Model-Driven Developers do it faster! By Mike Burba The Middleware company recently conducted a productivity study that compared model-driven, pattern-based development with traditional development techniques. The study concluded that model-driven development is 35% faster than traditional techniques. Salil Deshpande, the CEO of TMC, called the results "staggering", and Owen Taylor, a leading J2EE trainer and lead for the traditional development team, said that he had a "new respect for MDA". This session will give an overview of the study, then get into the details of model-driven, pattern-based development. Included will be a look at some model-driven, pattern-based tools to give the audience an opportunity to see MDA in action. Session #11: AOP with AspectJ and Eclipse Plugin by Venkat Subramaniam OOP is currently the most popular and practical software development approach. However, OOP has its limitations, especially when it comes to separation of concerns that are global and crosscutting in a large application. Aspect Oriented Programming addresses this issue of managing the complexity and AspectJ is an extension to Java to realize AOP. In this presentation, we will introduce AOP and show how you can implement the concepts using AspectJ and its Eclipse plugin. Session #12: Hibernate Overview by Bruce Tate Hibernate is a popular new persistence framework. It allows transparent persistence. It's based on reflection, so there's no byte-code enhancement. Best of all, it's an OpenSource technology, so the price can't be beat. Learn the basics about Hibernate. In this session, we'll learn about how Hibernate works, and look at some mappings and code. 3:15 ? 3:30 PM Break 3:30 ? 5:00 PM Session #13: Effective Enterprise Java: Concurrency by Ted Neward >From the book of the same name, this talk examines the consequences of using concurrency-control mechanisms (most notably Java synchronization blocks and database-style transactions), and how to build a system that will continue to scale in the face of contention. Session #14: Applied Web Services by Dennis Sosnoski SOAP-based Web services are taking over in the enterprise environment as a practical way of linking business systems. Despite the ever-growing popularity, there are still many problems in using Web services for real-world applications. In this intermediate session you'll find out about the main problem areas and the best ways to avoid them. The specific topics covered include security (SSL and WS-Security), interoperability (encoding issues, WS-I Basic Profile), and finally performance (SwA and DIME attachments, custom SOAP interfaces). The presentation assumes you already know the basics of SOAP and WSDL and builds from there. If you're working Web services, come learn about the potholes in "the road ahead" before you run into them head-on! Session #15: Programming with XSLT by Venkat Subramaniam Transforming an XML document using XSLT provides several advantages. However, it is not some thing that is too easy to begin with. This presentation is intended to demystify programming with XSLT. The speaker presents easy to understand analogies between XSLT and notions most of us are very familiar with. He then presents a quick over view of XPath notation and shows how to perform transformations and effectively render the contents of an XML document. Session #16: Bitter EJB - Common programming traps with EJB by Bruce Tate Bitter EJB is another Java antipatterns book from the author of Bitter Java, and three new Manning authors. In this session, we?ll look at some EJB examples, and discover some basic EJB pitfalls. We?ll then discuss remedies. We?ll look at session beans, stateful session beans, EJB CMP, persistence alternatives, and messaging antipatterns. We?ll have plenty of code examples, from the book Bitter EJB. Note: This is a 3 hour session. 5:00 ? 5:15 PM: Break 5:15 ? 6:45 PM Session #17: Challenging J2EE Assumptions: Developing EJB applications that are simple and maintainable by Maciej Zawadzki The EJB programming model as well as common J2EE design patterns such as the Value Object Pattern impose a non Object Oriented structure on the resulting applications. This lack of Object Oriented structure exists because: Relationships between business objects (represented by EJBs) are not modeled as object relationships but as foreign keys, and Coarse grained ValueObjects are great for performance but are in effect simple data structures that lack the behavior commonly associated with Objects. This seminar will introduce the Domain Fa?ade pattern that solves the above-mentioned problems without sacrificing any performance or compliance with the specifications. J2EE applications developed with the Domain Fa?ade pattern adhere more closely to Object Oriented Principles and are therefore easier to develop, understand, and maintain. Numerous source code examples will be provided. Session #18: Learning Tests by Stuart Halloway This talk will teach you to use unit testing for learning and validating other people's code. You can use learning tests to teach yourself how to use a new API, and simultaneously validate that the API meets your needs. Learning tests is very similar to test-driven development. With TDD, you write tests that fail, then develop your code to make the tests pass. With learning tests, you learn a new API by writing tests that prove the API works. No more wading through erroneous JavaDocs! What could be more fun? In a short 90 minutes, you will learn a new Java API, learn JUnit, and learn a new approach to learning Java. Session #19: JAXB & JiBX XML Data Binding by Dennis Sosnoski Data binding is the easiest way to handle most common usages of XML in Java applications. It allows you to seamlessly and transparently convert between XML documents and internal data structures without writing a lot of processing code. In this session you'll learn about a pair of complementary data binding frameworks. The JAXB Java standard gives direct generation of code from W3C XML Schema definitions, with full validation, a wide range of structure options, and interoperability between implementations. The open source JiBX framework takes a different approach, using mapping definitions constructed by hand or generated from XDoclet notations in source files to construct a binding between existing classes and XML documents. Each approach has major advantages for certain types of applications, so knowing the benefits and limitations of each will let you choose the best approach to suit your needs! This session includes some quick coverage of XML Schema concepts, but otherwise assumes an intermediate level of experience with both XML and Java. Session #20: Bitter EJB (Continued) by Bruce Tate October 19, 2003 7:00? 8:00 AM: Continental Breakfast 8:00 ? 9:30 AM Session #21: Getting More Out of Your Struts by Cobbie Behrend Struts is by no means the only MVC framework on the block. Frameworks such as WebWork have some good criticisms of Struts. In this talk we will explore some best practices for using Struts that address some of those criticisms. While several general best practices will be covered, special attention will be given to making Struts code more testable by decoupling it from J2EE specific classes and your data tier. Session #22: XML Schema for Java programmers by Stuart Halloway XML Schema, despite its verbose syntax, offers some concepts that are familiar to Java programmers, e.g. types and inheritance. Don't let the similarities lull you into a false sense of familiarity. XML Schema is a rich typing mechanism that is more complex that the Java type system. This talk will explore Schema, emphasizing concepts such as derivation by restriction that are alien to Java developers. You will also see how XML Schema compares to other schema languages for XML, how to use schema validation in applications, and how to translate between schema types and Java types. This is a 3 hour session with a 15 minute break. Session #23: Dynamic Java by Dennis Sosnoski The virtual machine design at the core of Java gives developers access to programming techniques much more flexible and dynamic than permitted by statically-compiled languages. In this intermediate to advanced session you'll find out about some of these Java features, starting with a quick look at class structure and JVM operation, then moving on into the details of using reflection for runtime access to class data and methods. Finally you'll learn about framework techniques for modifying compiled class files to add tracking information or special code hooks using the Javassist library recently merged into JBoss, and even get a quick look at building new runtime classes through direct byte code generation using the Apache BCEL library. Find out about the dynamics of Java and stir things up in your programming! Session #24: JDO vs. EJB by Bruce Tate Recently, EJB entity beans with container-managed persistence have come under fire. Though EJB 2.0 and 2.1 make some much-needed improvements, they may not go far enough. JDO can be an attractive persistence alternative for some applications. Learn why in this session. We?ll compare code examples for each, and look beyond technical issues to understand the strengths and weaknesses of each We?ll leave the politics out of this discussion, and focus on the technical issues. 9:30 ? 9:45 AM Break 9:45 ? 11:15 AM Session #25: Ant Primer by Craig Walls As the de facto standard build tool, all Java developers should have a working knowledge of its capabilities, syntax, and best practices. This session gently introduces you to Ant. A complete Java project will be developed interactively, leaving you with the ability to be immediately effective at using Ant for your next project! Session #26: XML Schema for Java programmers by Stuart Halloway (Continued) Session #27: JSR 175 - Custom Metadata for Java by Ted Neward One of the most important JSRs in the JDK 1.5 release (and, arguably, in Java's history) is the Metadata specification, JSR 175, which will permit Java library developers to define "attributes", bits of Java code that can be annotated to just about any part of the Java programming model--classes, packages, methods, fields, and so on. In this talk, hear what the JSR covers--and what it doesn't cover--along with syntax and usage model from one of the members of the Expert Group working to define it. Session #28: Better, faster, simpler Java by Bruce Tate Over the past five years, notable Java frameworks like J2EE and EJB, have become dramatically more complex. In this session, we?ll explore a set of principles for bucking this trend, and some frameworks that use these trends. Hibernate is a persistence framework that uses these principles very well, and as a result, the popularity is growing rapidly. Spring, a much younger framework, is an elegant container that is also starting to pick up steam. We?ll then look at how you can use these ideas to build more effective, faster, simpler applications of your own. 11:15 ? 11:30 AM Break 11:30 ? 1:00 PM Session #29: Prudent OO Development by Venkat Subramaniam Developing with objects involves more than using languages like Java, C#,C++ or Smalltalk for that matter. How object-oriented is our code? From C++ time to time, the OO paradigm can stump even expert developers. In this presentation the author will present some of the challenges that are fundamental in nature. Then he will present some principles and good practices for prudent development of OO code. Session #30: XDoclet Beyond J2EE by Craig Walls You may know that XDoclet can save you a lot of time and headaches with EJBs, Servlets, and JSP tag libararies. But did you know that there's more to XDoclet than J2EE? In addition to the better-known EJB and Servlet related tasks, XDoclet also comes with a rich set of code generation tasks for several non-J2EE technologies. In this session, we'll explore these non-J2EE applications of XDoclet, including how XDoclet can be used with Hibernate, Apache Axis, JMX, and MockObjects. Session #31: Code Generation: A Patterns Based Approach by Maciej Zawadzki Code generation presents an opportunity for development teams to speed up the development cycle, reduce the size of the effort, ensure consistent quality, and provide more consistent role separation. This seminar will provide an introduction to code generation technologies and practices. It will start by explaining what is code generation (especially pattern based code generation), and then it will cover why, when and how it should be practiced. Along the way, this seminar will illustrate the use of higher-level abstractions such as patterns to develop low-level code. A process for developing higher-level languages used in code generation will be presented in light of code generation environments. Session #32: Database Performance 101 for Java Developers by Bruce Tate As programmers need to learn more and more about advanced frameworks and programming techniques, sometimes we lose sight of basic foundational tools and techniques. With the recent backlash against EJB entity beans, more people are using JDBC with basic SQL than ever before. Plain old relational databases are old hat, but effectively using your RDBMS gives you the best shot at good application performance. We'll learn how to read an access plan, how to effectively partition a data model, how to design an effective index and how to recognize and write efficient SQL. 1:00 ? 2:00 PM Lunch 2:00 ? 3:30 PM Session #33: Put Your UI on a Diet with Thinlets by Craig Walls Many of us flocked to Java early on because of Applets and Swing, but moved to server-side development as we became disenchanted with the limitations of AWT and the performance of Swing. The thought of UI development in Java rarely crosses our minds and mere mention of the word "Applet" makes us shudder. What if I told you there was reason to be excited about Java UI development again? What if I told you there was a reason to be excited about applets again? This session will introduce Thinlets, a Java and XML based UI framework for developing "really thin clients". Thinlets make it possible to develop UIs richer than AWT, but without the performance or download overhead of Swing. Furthermore, Thinlets can run on a Java 1.1 JVM, the default JVM in most browsers. And, unlike AWT or Swing, Thinlets enforce separation of presentation from business logic. Session #34: J2EE vs. .net by Ted Neward & Bruce Tate What?s hype and what?s reality? Find out what developers like about each platform, and what?s missing. You won?t learn who will win the war for server dominance, but you will find out the key strengths and weaknesses of each platform, including the underlying Java and C# languages; strategies for presentation; database, messaging and transactional models; and the other features that developers want to know. Session #35: Advances in Web Services by Venkat Subramaniam Web Services is gaining a lot of popularity. Several organizations are beginning to implement serious systems and components using web services. Web services promise greater interoperability across application written in different languages and running on different platforms. However, much concern exists over the practicality of the solution, from the point of view of security, transactions, scalability, performance and infrastructure. This presentation will first introduce the audience to implementation of web services and present details on advances in the areas mentioned. Several working examples will be presented to illustrate the concepts. This is a 3 Hour session. Session #36: Struts 1.1 by Cobbie Behrend Struts has quickly become the most widely used java server side model view controller framework. This talk will introduce you to the basic concepts of Struts as well as some features that are new to the 1.1 version of Struts such as Modules, DynaActionForms, and the Validator Framework. This session is recommended for those who are either new to Struts or the latest 1.1 release. 3:30 ? 3:45 PM Break 3:45 ? 5:15 PM Session #37: EEJ: Architecture by Ted Neward In the style of works of the same title, "Effective Enterprise Java" lays out a number of items that offer practical, far-reaching advice about how to build systems using J2EE. In this talk, we will go over a number of the items in the "Architecture" chapter, focusing on higher-level discussions like "Avoid round trips", "Understand what middleware actually does", and "Optimize optimally". Discussion will center on what each of these means in practical terms for the J2EE community, and why current systems don't do this already. Session #38: Real World Practices For Object Reuse by Maciej Zawadzki Object Reuse has long been the elusive holy grail of software development. Some are even beginning to question its existence. But this seminar will reveal two production examples of successful large-scale object reuse and provide a road map for others to follow. A capability/maturity model for object reuse will be presented along with examples of practices typically found at each maturity level. The role of practices such as software configuration management (SCM), build management, dependency tracking, branching, and refactoring will be presented. This seminar will conclude with an examination how object reuse was successfully put into practice at two companies (Alamo and FedEx Custom Critical). Session #39: Advances in Web Services by Venkat Subramaniam (Continued) Session #40: Managing WSDL with AXIS by Stuart Halloway The Web Services Description Language (WSDL) can be a hostile environment, especially if you are used to more Java-friendly remoting technologies such as RMI. But WSDL is the backbone of Web Services as they exist today, so you have to find a way to approach it. Apache AXIS provides tools for managing WSDL. WSDL2Java builds Java interfaces, implementations, and even test cases from a WSDL document. More interestingly, Java2WSDL can generate WSDL from your existing Java classes. Unfortunately, starting from Java will not always guarantee interoperable Web services. Sooner or later, WSDL must take top billing. However, starting from Java and experimenting with Java2WSDL's settings is a gentle way to introduce WSDL, without having to assemble an entire WSDL document from scratch. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://gr-jug.org/pipermail/jug/attachments/20031010/8bb49789/attachment-0001.htm From Steve_Grody at accessbusinessgroup.com Fri Oct 10 19:17:42 2003 From: Steve_Grody at accessbusinessgroup.com (Steve_Grody@accessbusinessgroup.com) Date: Fri Oct 10 18:17:13 2003 Subject: [GR-Jug] Re: Coding competition - update: deadline postponed Message-ID: Due to the need for more training, and limited time that people have had, i am extending the deadline for the J2ME code competition. The new deadline will be January of February, and will be announced within a week. I will work at getting some J2ME expertise in town to discuss this technology with the groups. Thanks Stephen Grody Access Business Group - Integrations Office: 616-787-0188 Cell/Pager: 616-502-2454 Steve Grody To: jug@gr-jug.org, grandrapidsjavausersgroup@yahoogroups.com, 10/09/2003 06:15 java_e_solutions@yahoogroups.com PM cc: Subject: Coding competition - update requested Hello various group members, Apologies if you get this email more than once, but many of you are subscribed to multiple email services. grjug users should be migrating from the yahoo group to the jug@gr-jug.org (i believe Matt has mass added you there, but you need to subscribe there to start getting emails from it. I suspect we will mass remove the yahoo list members once the majority of the members have completed their subscription) At any rate, the real reason i'm sending this email is to check on the coding competition. I haven't been able to attend the mtg's lately, and i haven't even been able to work on my J2ME project. I need to know how many people are going to have a J2ME project ready to turn in next week. Please email me personally (do not respond to the group eddress) so i can tally them, to determine if we have a legitimate competition for the prizes that have been requested. I suspect we will need to extend the date out a few months, and get some external help in understanding J2ME development. (If anyone is aware of a good contact, please refer them to me, and i will see if we can utilize their expertise via a workshop/presentation). I will send another email out tomorrow evening based on the responses i get. Thanks people. Stephen Grody Access Business Group - Integrations Office: 616-787-0188 Cell/Pager: 616-502-2454 From Steve_Grody at accessbusinessgroup.com Fri Oct 10 19:17:42 2003 From: Steve_Grody at accessbusinessgroup.com (Steve_Grody@accessbusinessgroup.com) Date: Fri Oct 10 18:17:38 2003 Subject: [GR-Jug] [Grand Rapids Java Users Group] Re: Coding competition - update: deadline postponed Message-ID: Due to the need for more training, and limited time that people have had, i am extending the deadline for the J2ME code competition. The new deadline will be January of February, and will be announced within a week. I will work at getting some J2ME expertise in town to discuss this technology with the groups. Thanks Stephen Grody Access Business Group - Integrations Office: 616-787-0188 Cell/Pager: 616-502-2454 Steve Grody To: jug@gr-jug.org, grandrapidsjavausersgroup@yahoogroups.com, 10/09/2003 06:15 java_e_solutions@yahoogroups.com PM cc: Subject: Coding competition - update requested Hello various group members, Apologies if you get this email more than once, but many of you are subscribed to multiple email services. grjug users should be migrating from the yahoo group to the jug@gr-jug.org (i believe Matt has mass added you there, but you need to subscribe there to start getting emails from it. I suspect we will mass remove the yahoo list members once the majority of the members have completed their subscription) At any rate, the real reason i'm sending this email is to check on the coding competition. I haven't been able to attend the mtg's lately, and i haven't even been able to work on my J2ME project. I need to know how many people are going to have a J2ME project ready to turn in next week. Please email me personally (do not respond to the group eddress) so i can tally them, to determine if we have a legitimate competition for the prizes that have been requested. I suspect we will need to extend the date out a few months, and get some external help in understanding J2ME development. (If anyone is aware of a good contact, please refer them to me, and i will see if we can utilize their expertise via a workshop/presentation). I will send another email out tomorrow evening based on the responses i get. Thanks people. Stephen Grody Access Business Group - Integrations Office: 616-787-0188 Cell/Pager: 616-502-2454 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees & Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/JYdFFC/XP.FAA/ySSFAA/Z_EolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: grandrapidsjavausersgroup-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From jerrydneal at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 10 17:29:34 2003 From: jerrydneal at sbcglobal.net (Jerry Neal) Date: Fri Oct 10 21:39:10 2003 Subject: [GR-Jug] Re: [Grand Rapids Java Users Group] Re: Coding competition - update: deadline postponed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031010232934.35811.qmail@web80004.mail.yahoo.com> Dear Steve: I agree with your filaments that it would be wise to get all the structural elephants in place. Jerry Steve_Grody@accessbusinessgroup.com wrote: Due to the need for more training, and limited time that people have had, i am extending the deadline for the J2ME code competition. The new deadline will be January of February, and will be announced within a week. I will work at getting some J2ME expertise in town to discuss this technology with the groups. Thanks Stephen Grody Access Business Group - Integrations Office: 616-787-0188 Cell/Pager: 616-502-2454 Steve Grody To: jug@gr-jug.org, grandrapidsjavausersgroup@yahoogroups.com, 10/09/2003 06:15 java_e_solutions@yahoogroups.com PM cc: Subject: Coding competition - update requested Hello various group members, Apologies if you get this email more than once, but many of you are subscribed to multiple email services. grjug users should be migrating from the yahoo group to the jug@gr-jug.org (i believe Matt has mass added you there, but you need to subscribe there to start getting emails from it. I suspect we will mass remove the yahoo list members once the majority of the members have completed their subscription) At any rate, the real reason i'm sending this email is to check on the coding competition. I haven't been able to attend the mtg's lately, and i haven't even been able to work on my J2ME project. I need to know how many people are going to have a J2ME project ready to turn in next week. Please email me personally (do not respond to the group eddress) so i can tally them, to determine if we have a legitimate competition for the prizes that have been requested. I suspect we will need to extend the date out a few months, and get some external help in understanding J2ME development. (If anyone is aware of a good contact, please refer them to me, and i will see if we can utilize their expertise via a workshop/presentation). I will send another email out tomorrow evening based on the responses i get. Thanks people. Stephen Grody Access Business Group - Integrations Office: 616-787-0188 Cell/Pager: 616-502-2454 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: grandrapidsjavausersgroup-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees & Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/JYdFFC/XP.FAA/ySSFAA/Z_EolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: grandrapidsjavausersgroup-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From johntobasco at hotmail.com Tue Oct 14 09:17:35 2003 From: johntobasco at hotmail.com (John Tobasco) Date: Tue Oct 14 11:20:35 2003 Subject: [GR-Jug] Re: [Grand Rapids Java Users Group] Coding competition - update requested Message-ID: How do we subscribe to jug@gr-jug.org? ----Original Message Follows---- From: Steve_Grody@accessbusinessgroup.com Reply-To: grandrapidsjavausersgroup@yahoogroups.com To: jug@gr-jug.org, grandrapidsjavausersgroup@yahoogroups.com, java_e_solutions@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Grand Rapids Java Users Group] Coding competition - update requested Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 18:15:46 -0400 Hello various group members, Apologies if you get this email more than once, but many of you are subscribed to multiple email services. grjug users should be migrating from the yahoo group to the jug@gr-jug.org (i believe Matt has mass added you there, but you need to subscribe there to start getting emails from it. I suspect we will mass remove the yahoo list members once the majority of the members have completed their subscription) At any rate, the real reason i'm sending this email is to check on the coding competition. I haven't been able to attend the mtg's lately, and i haven't even been able to work on my J2ME project. I need to know how many people are going to have a J2ME project ready to turn in next week. Please email me personally (do not respond to the group eddress) so i can tally them, to determine if we have a legitimate competition for the prizes that have been requested. I suspect we will need to extend the date out a few months, and get some external help in understanding J2ME development. (If anyone is aware of a good contact, please refer them to me, and i will see if we can utilize their expertise via a workshop/presentation). I will send another email out tomorrow evening based on the responses i get. Thanks people. Stephen Grody Access Business Group - Integrations Office: 616-787-0188 Cell/Pager: 616-502-2454 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: grandrapidsjavausersgroup-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Surf and talk on the phone at the same time with broadband Internet access. Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From Matt.Carpenter at alticor.com Tue Oct 14 15:31:33 2003 From: Matt.Carpenter at alticor.com (Matt.Carpenter@alticor.com) Date: Tue Oct 14 14:30:57 2003 Subject: [GR-Jug] Re: [Grand Rapids Java Users Group] Coding competition - update requested Message-ID: See the bottom of this email (tagged to each gr-jug message) Also below: _______________________________________________ Jug mailing list Jug@gr-jug.org http://gr-jug.org/mailman/listinfo/jug |---------+----------------------------> | | "John Tobasco" | | | | | | Sent by: | | | jug-bounces@gr-ju| | | g.org | | | | | | | | | 10/14/2003 08:17 | | | AM | | | Please respond to| | | grandrapidsjavaus| | | ersgroup; Please | | | respond to "Java,| | | the breakfast of | | | Champions!" | | | | |---------+----------------------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: grandrapidsjavausersgroup@yahoogroups.com | | cc: | | Subject: [GR-Jug] Re: [Grand Rapids Java Users Group] Coding competition - update requested | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| How do we subscribe to jug@gr-jug.org? ----Original Message Follows---- From: Steve_Grody@accessbusinessgroup.com Reply-To: grandrapidsjavausersgroup@yahoogroups.com To: jug@gr-jug.org, grandrapidsjavausersgroup@yahoogroups.com, java_e_solutions@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Grand Rapids Java Users Group] Coding competition - update requested Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 18:15:46 -0400 Hello various group members, Apologies if you get this email more than once, but many of you are subscribed to multiple email services. grjug users should be migrating from the yahoo group to the jug@gr-jug.org (i believe Matt has mass added you there, but you need to subscribe there to start getting emails from it. I suspect we will mass remove the yahoo list members once the majority of the members have completed their subscription) At any rate, the real reason i'm sending this email is to check on the coding competition. I haven't been able to attend the mtg's lately, and i haven't even been able to work on my J2ME project. I need to know how many people are going to have a J2ME project ready to turn in next week. Please email me personally (do not respond to the group eddress) so i can tally them, to determine if we have a legitimate competition for the prizes that have been requested. I suspect we will need to extend the date out a few months, and get some external help in understanding J2ME development. (If anyone is aware of a good contact, please refer them to me, and i will see if we can utilize their expertise via a workshop/presentation). I will send another email out tomorrow evening based on the responses i get. Thanks people. Stephen Grody Access Business Group - Integrations Office: 616-787-0188 Cell/Pager: 616-502-2454 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: grandrapidsjavausersgroup-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Surf and talk on the phone at the same time with broadband Internet access. Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From Matt.Carpenter at alticor.com Tue Oct 14 15:31:33 2003 From: Matt.Carpenter at alticor.com (Matt.Carpenter@alticor.com) Date: Tue Oct 14 14:31:23 2003 Subject: [GR-Jug] Re: [Grand Rapids Java Users Group] Coding competition - update requested Message-ID: See the bottom of this email (tagged to each gr-jug message) Also below: _______________________________________________ Jug mailing list Jug@gr-jug.org http://gr-jug.org/mailman/listinfo/jug |---------+----------------------------> | | "John Tobasco" | | | | | | Sent by: | | | jug-bounces@gr-ju| | | g.org | | | | | | | | | 10/14/2003 08:17 | | | AM | | | Please respond to| | | grandrapidsjavaus| | | ersgroup; Please | | | respond to "Java,| | | the breakfast of | | | Champions!" | | | | |---------+----------------------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: grandrapidsjavausersgroup@yahoogroups.com | | cc: | | Subject: [GR-Jug] Re: [Grand Rapids Java Users Group] Coding competition - update requested | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| How do we subscribe to jug@gr-jug.org? ----Original Message Follows---- From: Steve_Grody@accessbusinessgroup.com Reply-To: grandrapidsjavausersgroup@yahoogroups.com To: jug@gr-jug.org, grandrapidsjavausersgroup@yahoogroups.com, java_e_solutions@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Grand Rapids Java Users Group] Coding competition - update requested Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 18:15:46 -0400 Hello various group members, Apologies if you get this email more than once, but many of you are subscribed to multiple email services. grjug users should be migrating from the yahoo group to the jug@gr-jug.org (i believe Matt has mass added you there, but you need to subscribe there to start getting emails from it. I suspect we will mass remove the yahoo list members once the majority of the members have completed their subscription) At any rate, the real reason i'm sending this email is to check on the coding competition. I haven't been able to attend the mtg's lately, and i haven't even been able to work on my J2ME project. I need to know how many people are going to have a J2ME project ready to turn in next week. Please email me personally (do not respond to the group eddress) so i can tally them, to determine if we have a legitimate competition for the prizes that have been requested. I suspect we will need to extend the date out a few months, and get some external help in understanding J2ME development. (If anyone is aware of a good contact, please refer them to me, and i will see if we can utilize their expertise via a workshop/presentation). I will send another email out tomorrow evening based on the responses i get. Thanks people. Stephen Grody Access Business Group - Integrations Office: 616-787-0188 Cell/Pager: 616-502-2454 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: grandrapidsjavausersgroup-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Surf and talk on the phone at the same time with broadband Internet access. Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: grandrapidsjavausersgroup-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/Z_EolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: grandrapidsjavausersgroup-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From johntobasco at hotmail.com Mon Oct 20 09:17:36 2003 From: johntobasco at hotmail.com (John Tobasco) Date: Mon Oct 20 08:54:19 2003 Subject: [GR-Jug] Re: [Grand Rapids Java Users Group] Coding competition - update requested Message-ID: That tells us how to subscribe to the yahoo group. I thought there was a new group that we need to subscribe to and that eventually the yahoo group is going away??? ----Original Message Follows---- From: Matt.Carpenter@alticor.com Reply-To: grandrapidsjavausersgroup@yahoogroups.com To: grandrapidsjavausersgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Java, the breakfast of Champions!" Subject: Re: [GR-Jug] Re: [Grand Rapids Java Users Group] Coding competition - update requested Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:31:33 -0400 See the bottom of this email (tagged to each gr-jug message) Also below: _______________________________________________ Jug mailing list Jug@gr-jug.org http://gr-jug.org/mailman/listinfo/jug |---------+----------------------------> | | "John Tobasco" | | | | | | Sent by: | | | jug-bounces@gr-ju| | | g.org | | | | | | | | | 10/14/2003 08:17 | | | AM | | | Please respond to| | | grandrapidsjavaus| | | ersgroup; Please | | | respond to "Java,| | | the breakfast of | | | Champions!" | | | | |---------+----------------------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: grandrapidsjavausersgroup@yahoogroups.com | | cc: | | Subject: [GR-Jug] Re: [Grand Rapids Java Users Group] Coding competition - update requested | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| How do we subscribe to jug@gr-jug.org? ----Original Message Follows---- From: Steve_Grody@accessbusinessgroup.com Reply-To: grandrapidsjavausersgroup@yahoogroups.com To: jug@gr-jug.org, grandrapidsjavausersgroup@yahoogroups.com, java_e_solutions@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Grand Rapids Java Users Group] Coding competition - update requested Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 18:15:46 -0400 Hello various group members, Apologies if you get this email more than once, but many of you are subscribed to multiple email services. grjug users should be migrating from the yahoo group to the jug@gr-jug.org (i believe Matt has mass added you there, but you need to subscribe there to start getting emails from it. I suspect we will mass remove the yahoo list members once the majority of the members have completed their subscription) At any rate, the real reason i'm sending this email is to check on the coding competition. I haven't been able to attend the mtg's lately, and i haven't even been able to work on my J2ME project. I need to know how many people are going to have a J2ME project ready to turn in next week. Please email me personally (do not respond to the group eddress) so i can tally them, to determine if we have a legitimate competition for the prizes that have been requested. I suspect we will need to extend the date out a few months, and get some external help in understanding J2ME development. (If anyone is aware of a good contact, please refer them to me, and i will see if we can utilize their expertise via a workshop/presentation). I will send another email out tomorrow evening based on the responses i get. Thanks people. Stephen Grody Access Business Group - Integrations Office: 616-787-0188 Cell/Pager: 616-502-2454 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: grandrapidsjavausersgroup-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Surf and talk on the phone at the same time with broadband Internet access. Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: grandrapidsjavausersgroup-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: grandrapidsjavausersgroup-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Cheer a special someone with a fun Halloween eCard from American Greetings! Go to http://www.msn.americangreetings.com/index_msn.pd?source=msne134 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/Z_EolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: grandrapidsjavausersgroup-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From Matt.Carpenter at alticor.com Wed Oct 22 16:47:03 2003 From: Matt.Carpenter at alticor.com (Matt.Carpenter@alticor.com) Date: Wed Oct 22 15:46:06 2003 Subject: [GR-Jug] Bounce Messages Message-ID: There have been a number of accounts disabled due to excessive bouncing. This can be because of vacation messages as well as full mailboxes. I have enabled all accounts and will be watching for future bounces. MailMan, the list software we use, will send reminders and tests and finally delete members who continue to bounce. This helps us maintain valid email addresses and not waste Internet bandwidth attempting to deliver to addresses which no longer exist. Please be sure to disable Vacation response messages to this list and keep your mail accounts free for new mail, so you can continue to receive list mail. Thanks! Matt From Matt.Carpenter at alticor.com Thu Oct 23 20:57:24 2003 From: Matt.Carpenter at alticor.com (Matthew Carpenter) Date: Thu Oct 23 16:09:04 2003 Subject: [GR-Jug] [Grand Rapids Java Users Group] Join the JUG Mailing List! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: For those of you who are NOT a member of the JUG Mailing list (since this is going to be seen on both the Yahoo Group as well as the new list) the please visit the following URL to join. You will create an account and will be able to post to the email address listed below. Jug mailing list Jug@gr-jug.org http://gr-jug.org/mailman/listinfo/jug If anyone has questions, email me directly at matt@eisgr.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping & No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/mk9osC/hP.FAA/3jkFAA/Z_EolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: grandrapidsjavausersgroup-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From radlickk at gr-jug.org Mon Oct 27 08:52:33 2003 From: radlickk at gr-jug.org (Ken Radlick) Date: Mon Oct 27 08:49:31 2003 Subject: [GR-Jug] unless someone has a bigger one... Message-ID: <3F9D2321.6000003@gr-jug.org> Hello everyone, They say size doesn't matter, well apparently "they" weren't talking about hard drives. Anyway I was going through some stuff and came across a 6.4 GB hard drive which I am willing to donate to the GR-Jug server (you did know that we have one) but I would still like to have a bigger drive (bigger is better). So, one final call to have everyone go through their stuff and see if you have an old drive around that is bigger that you would be willing to donate to a GREAT cause. If you have one please contact me at radlickk@gr-jug.org and I will make arrangements to get it from you. If no one has a drive I guess 6.4 GB will be added to the GR-Jug server sometime in the near future. Also, please note that I have listed our Jug on Sun's site, if you are a Sun developer you can join the jug their (not sure what it buys us except it shows how many members belong). You can go to this link and join http://servlet.java.sun.com/jugs/north_america/usa/Michigan/grand_rapids/14289.jsp Also, we have our meeting on November 20 at 6:30 hope to see you all there... Ken. From Matt.Carpenter at alticor.com Mon Oct 27 10:31:19 2003 From: Matt.Carpenter at alticor.com (Matt.Carpenter@alticor.com) Date: Mon Oct 27 10:37:36 2003 Subject: [GR-Jug] Re: [Grand Rapids Java Users Group] unless someone has a bigger one... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: heheheh. Another option might be simply pooling a donation to come up with the $60-$100 for a new MANY-gig HD. |---------+----------------------------> | | "Ken" | | | | | | | | | 10/27/2003 08:57 | | | AM | | | Please respond to| | | grandrapidsjavaus| | | ersgroup | |---------+----------------------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: grandrapidsjavausersgroup@yahoogroups.com | | cc: | | Subject: [Grand Rapids Java Users Group] unless someone has a bigger one... | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Hello everyone, They say size doesn't matter, well apparently "they" weren't talking about hard drives. Anyway I was going through some stuff and came across a 6.4 GB hard drive which I am willing to donate to the GR-Jug server (you did know that we have one) but I would still like to have a bigger drive (bigger is better). So, one final call to have everyone go through their stuff and see if you have an old drive around that is bigger that you would be willing to donate to a GREAT cause. If you have one please contact me at radlickk@gr-jug.org and I will make arrangements to get it from you. If no one has a drive I guess 6.4 GB will be added to the GR-Jug server sometime in the near future. Also, please note that I have listed our Jug on Sun's site, if you are a Sun developer you can join the jug their (not sure what it buys us except it shows how many members belong). You can go to this link and join http://servlet.java.sun.com/jugs/north_america/usa/Michigan/grand_rapids/14289.jsp Also, we have our meeting on November 20 at 6:30 hope to see you all there... Ken. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: grandrapidsjavausersgroup-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees & Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vhSowB/XP.FAA/3jkFAA/Z_EolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: grandrapidsjavausersgroup-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From Matt.Carpenter at alticor.com Mon Oct 27 10:36:00 2003 From: Matt.Carpenter at alticor.com (Matt.Carpenter@alticor.com) Date: Mon Oct 27 10:37:38 2003 Subject: [GR-Jug] Re: [Grand Rapids Java Users Group] unless someone has a bigger one... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'll pitch in $10 |---------+----------------------------> | | "Kenneth Radlick"| | | | | | | | | 10/27/2003 10:36 | | | AM | | | Please respond to| | | grandrapidsjavaus| | | ersgroup | |---------+----------------------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: | | cc: | | Subject: Re: [Grand Rapids Java Users Group] unless someone has a bigger one... | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| That is also an option...and there is $10 in that fund, care to add to it? Ken. >>> Matt.Carpenter@alticor.com 10/27/03 10:31AM >>> heheheh. Another option might be simply pooling a donation to come up with the $60-$100 for a new MANY-gig HD. |---------+----------------------------> | | "Ken" | | | | | | | | | 10/27/2003 08:57 | | | AM | | | Please respond to| | | grandrapidsjavaus| | | ersgroup | |---------+----------------------------> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: grandrapidsjavausersgroup@yahoogroups.com | | cc: | | Subject: [Grand Rapids Java Users Group] unless someone has a bigger one... | > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Hello everyone, They say size doesn't matter, well apparently "they" weren't talking about hard drives. Anyway I was going through some stuff and came across a 6.4 GB hard drive which I am willing to donate to the GR-Jug server (you did know that we have one) but I would still like to have a bigger drive (bigger is better). So, one final call to have everyone go through their stuff and see if you have an old drive around that is bigger that you would be willing to donate to a GREAT cause. If you have one please contact me at radlickk@gr-jug.org and I will make arrangements to get it from you. If no one has a drive I guess 6.4 GB will be added to the GR-Jug server sometime in the near future. Also, please note that I have listed our Jug on Sun's site, if you are a Sun developer you can join the jug their (not sure what it buys us except it shows how many members belong). You can go to this link and join http://servlet.java.sun.com/jugs/north_america/usa/Michigan/grand_rapids/14289.jsp Also, we have our meeting on November 20 at 6:30 hope to see you all there... Ken. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From radlickk at gvsu.edu Mon Oct 27 13:57:30 2003 From: radlickk at gvsu.edu (Ken) Date: Mon Oct 27 10:37:46 2003 Subject: [GR-Jug] [Grand Rapids Java Users Group] unless someone has a bigger one... Message-ID: Hello everyone, They say size doesn't matter, well apparently "they" weren't talking about hard drives. Anyway I was going through some stuff and came across a 6.4 GB hard drive which I am willing to donate to the GR-Jug server (you did know that we have one) but I would still like to have a bigger drive (bigger is better). So, one final call to have everyone go through their stuff and see if you have an old drive around that is bigger that you would be willing to donate to a GREAT cause. If you have one please contact me at radlickk@gr-jug.org and I will make arrangements to get it from you. If no one has a drive I guess 6.4 GB will be added to the GR-Jug server sometime in the near future. Also, please note that I have listed our Jug on Sun's site, if you are a Sun developer you can join the jug their (not sure what it buys us except it shows how many members belong). You can go to this link and join http://servlet.java.sun.com/jugs/north_america/usa/Michigan/grand_rapids/14289.jsp Also, we have our meeting on November 20 at 6:30 hope to see you all there... Ken. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees & Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vhSowB/XP.FAA/3jkFAA/Z_EolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: grandrapidsjavausersgroup-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From radlickk at gvsu.edu Mon Oct 27 10:36:28 2003 From: radlickk at gvsu.edu (Kenneth Radlick) Date: Mon Oct 27 10:37:50 2003 Subject: [GR-Jug] Re: [Grand Rapids Java Users Group] unless someone has a bigger one... Message-ID: That is also an option...and there is $10 in that fund, care to add to it? Ken. >>> Matt.Carpenter@alticor.com 10/27/03 10:31AM >>> heheheh. Another option might be simply pooling a donation to come up with the $60-$100 for a new MANY-gig HD. |---------+----------------------------> | | "Ken" | | | | | | | | | 10/27/2003 08:57 | | | AM | | | Please respond to| | | grandrapidsjavaus| | | ersgroup | |---------+----------------------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: grandrapidsjavausersgroup@yahoogroups.com | | cc: | | Subject: [Grand Rapids Java Users Group] unless someone has a bigger one... | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Hello everyone, They say size doesn't matter, well apparently "they" weren't talking about hard drives. Anyway I was going through some stuff and came across a 6.4 GB hard drive which I am willing to donate to the GR-Jug server (you did know that we have one) but I would still like to have a bigger drive (bigger is better). So, one final call to have everyone go through their stuff and see if you have an old drive around that is bigger that you would be willing to donate to a GREAT cause. If you have one please contact me at radlickk@gr-jug.org and I will make arrangements to get it from you. If no one has a drive I guess 6.4 GB will be added to the GR-Jug server sometime in the near future. Also, please note that I have listed our Jug on Sun's site, if you are a Sun developer you can join the jug their (not sure what it buys us except it shows how many members belong). You can go to this link and join http://servlet.java.sun.com/jugs/north_america/usa/Michigan/grand_rapids/14289.jsp Also, we have our meeting on November 20 at 6:30 hope to see you all there... Ken. 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From jtay01_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 20:10:10 2003 From: jtay01_2000 at yahoo.com (Jeff Taylor) Date: Wed Nov 12 23:07:00 2003 Subject: [GR-Jug] Put me on the list Message-ID: <20031113041010.29328.qmail@web11506.mail.yahoo.com> Put me on the list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From reminders at yahoo-inc.com Thu Nov 13 23:25:23 2003 From: reminders at yahoo-inc.com (Yahoo! Reminder) Date: Thu Nov 13 23:02:57 2003 Subject: [GR-Jug] [Grand Rapids Java Users Group] Meeting at Calvin College, 11/20/2003, 6:30 pm Message-ID: <20031113232523.28655.qmail@sync106.cal.yahoo.com> Reminder from the Calendar of grandrapidsjavausersgroup http://groups.yahoo.com/group/grandrapidsjavausersgroup/cal Meeting at Calvin College Thursday November 20, 2003 6:30 pm - 9:00 pm (This event repeats on the third Thursday of every month.) (The next reminder for this event will be sent in 6 days, 12 hours, 4 minutes.) Event Location: Calvin College North Hall 253 City, State, Zip: Grand Rapids, MI Send a Yahoo! Greeting at: http://greetings.yahoo.com Set up birthday reminders! http://us.rd.yahoo.com/cal_us/rem/?http://groups.yahoo.com/group/grandrapidsjavausersgroup/cal?v=9&evt_type=13 Copyright 2003 Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/ Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://gr-jug.org/pipermail/jug/attachments/20031113/9e461743/attachment.htm From radlickk at gr-jug.org Tue Nov 18 14:52:22 2003 From: radlickk at gr-jug.org (Ken Radlick) Date: Tue Nov 18 14:48:39 2003 Subject: [GR-Jug] need help with HashMap Message-ID: <3FBA7876.4080700@gr-jug.org> Does anyone have experience using the HashMap class? If so, I am looking for an example of how to traverse and print the keys and values in the form key="key value" value="value". Your assistance would be most appreciated. Thanks, Ken. From bcurnow at gfs.com Tue Nov 18 15:11:25 2003 From: bcurnow at gfs.com (Brian Curnow) Date: Tue Nov 18 15:07:43 2003 Subject: [GR-Jug] need help with HashMap Message-ID: There are at least these two ways of doing it. Either use the keySet or the entrySet. One returns a Set of Objects which are the keys to the Map, the other returns a Set of Map.Entry objects containing both keys and values. Map map = new HashMap(); Object key = null; Map.Entry entry = null; map.put("TestKey1", "TestValue1"); map.put("TestKey2", "TestValue2"); map.put("TestKey3", "TestValue3"); map.put("TestKey4", "TestValue4"); map.put("TestKey5", "TestValue5"); Iterator it = map.keySet().iterator(); while (it.hasNext()) { key = it.next(); System.out.println("key=" + key + " value=" + map.get(key)); } it = map.entrySet().iterator(); while (it.hasNext()) { entry = (Map.Entry) it.next(); System.out.println("key=" + entry.getKey() + " value=" + entry.getValue()); } Brian Curnow Gordon Food Service IS - Integration Services 616-717-7786 The computer is always right. The programmers are occasionally right. >>> Ken Radlick 11/18/03 02:52PM >>> Does anyone have experience using the HashMap class? If so, I am looking for an example of how to traverse and print the keys and values in the form key="key value" value="value". Your assistance would be most appreciated. Thanks, Ken. _______________________________________________ Jug mailing list Jug@gr-jug.org http://gr-jug.org/mailman/listinfo/jug From jeff.markham at markhamsoft.com Tue Nov 18 15:16:46 2003 From: jeff.markham at markhamsoft.com (Jeff Markham) Date: Tue Nov 18 15:13:27 2003 Subject: [GR-Jug] need help with HashMap In-Reply-To: <3FBA7876.4080700@gr-jug.org> References: <3FBA7876.4080700@gr-jug.org> Message-ID: <1069186606.3fba7e2e5f640@www.markhamsoft.com> java.util.HashMap myHashMap; java.util.Set keys = myHashMap.keySet(); java.util.Iterator i = keys.iterator(); while(i.hasNext()) { Object key = i.next(); System.out.println("key=" + key); System.out.println("value=" + myHashMap.get(key)); } Quoting Ken Radlick : > Does anyone have experience using the HashMap class? If so, I am > looking for an example of how to traverse and print the keys and values > in the form key="key value" value="value". > > Your assistance would be most appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Ken. > > _______________________________________________ > Jug mailing list > Jug@gr-jug.org > http://gr-jug.org/mailman/listinfo/jug > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From tobasco at us.ibm.com Tue Nov 18 15:20:16 2003 From: tobasco at us.ibm.com (John Tobasco) Date: Tue Nov 18 15:16:40 2003 Subject: [GR-Jug] need help with HashMap Message-ID: Ken, Try this: package tryit; import java.util.*; public class TryHashMap { public static void main(String[] args) { Map myHashMap = new HashMap(); // TreeMap would make it sorted. But if you don't need the sort, HashMap gives better performance. //Map myHashMap = new TreeMap(); myHashMap.put(new String("key1"), new String("value1")); myHashMap.put(new String("key2"), new String("value2")); myHashMap.put(new String("key3"), new String("value3")); myHashMap.put(new String("key4"), new String("value4")); myHashMap.put(new String("key5"), new String("value5")); // to get a specific value System.out.println("value for key3: " + myHashMap.get("key3")); System.out.println("iterating through the entrySet: "); Iterator entrySetIterator = myHashMap.entrySet().iterator(); while (entrySetIterator.hasNext()) { Map.Entry entry = (Map.Entry) entrySetIterator.next(); String key = (String) entry.getKey(); String value = (String) entry.getValue(); System.out.println("key=" + key + " value=" + value); } } } Thanks, John Tobasco Software Engineer - SRM Development Team Server Resource Management IBM Global Services, Service Delivery Center - South 877-725-7558 or T/L 364-1192 tobasco@us.ibm.com Ken Radlick cc: Sent by: Subject: [GR-Jug] need help with HashMap jug-bounces@gr-ju g.org 11/18/2003 02:52 PM Please respond to radlickk,Grand Rapids Java Users Group Mailing List Does anyone have experience using the HashMap class? If so, I am looking for an example of how to traverse and print the keys and values in the form key="key value" value="value". Your assistance would be most appreciated. Thanks, Ken. _______________________________________________ Jug mailing list Jug@gr-jug.org http://gr-jug.org/mailman/listinfo/jug From Steve_Grody at accessbusinessgroup.com Tue Nov 18 15:26:15 2003 From: Steve_Grody at accessbusinessgroup.com (Steve_Grody@accessbusinessgroup.com) Date: Tue Nov 18 15:24:33 2003 Subject: [GR-Jug] J2ME Interest survey Message-ID: Hello Members, We haven't yet been able to round up a J2ME expert. In light of that, i wanted to survey the group to see how many of you are actually interested in developing J2ME applications. I don't think the area has much going on with it, and there is no sense in putting a lot of effort into something we won't use. If that is the case, i will cancel the J2ME competition (i don't think there is anyone that has gotten very far anyway, but if so let me know). Maybe a brief presentation by a member would be useful though. Thank you, Stephen Grody Access Business Group - Integrations Office: 616-787-0188 Cell/Pager: 616-502-2454 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://gr-jug.org/pipermail/jug/attachments/20031118/46f0f1c7/attachment.htm From chenry at gfs.com Tue Nov 18 15:33:51 2003 From: chenry at gfs.com (Carlus Henry) Date: Tue Nov 18 15:30:04 2003 Subject: [GR-Jug] J2ME Interest survey Message-ID: Steve, I have not had the time to work on the J2ME project, and I doubt that I will anytime in the near future. Most of my interest lie in the J2EE and stand-alone java applications. Thanks Carlus Carlus R. Henry Gordon Food Service Application Engineer (616) 717-7819 chenry@gfs.com >>> Steve_Grody@accessbusinessgroup.com 11/18/03 03:26PM >>> Hello Members, We haven't yet been able to round up a J2ME expert. In light of that, i wanted to survey the group to see how many of you are actually interested in developing J2ME applications. I don't think the area has much going on with it, and there is no sense in putting a lot of effort into something we won't use. If that is the case, i will cancel the J2ME competition (i don't think there is anyone that has gotten very far anyway, but if so let me know). Maybe a brief presentation by a member would be useful though. Thank you, Stephen Grody Access Business Group - Integrations Office: 616-787-0188 Cell/Pager: 616-502-2454 From Steve_Grody at accessbusinessgroup.com Wed Nov 19 10:21:01 2003 From: Steve_Grody at accessbusinessgroup.com (Steve_Grody@accessbusinessgroup.com) Date: Wed Nov 19 10:19:28 2003 Subject: [GR-Jug] Please Add Me Message-ID: This email is an attempt to request group emails to subscribed members trusted contacts list, so we don't keep getting bounces. Thanks Stephen Grody Access Business Group - Integrations Office: 616-787-0188 Cell/Pager: 616-502-2454 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://gr-jug.org/pipermail/jug/attachments/20031119/be25c2ff/attachment.htm From jtay01_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 09:20:30 2003 From: jtay01_2000 at yahoo.com (Jeff Taylor) Date: Wed Nov 19 12:16:52 2003 Subject: [GR-Jug] Please Add Me In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031119172030.97858.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Sign me up. Jeff Taylor --- Steve_Grody@accessbusinessgroup.com wrote: > This email is an attempt to request group emails to > subscribed members > trusted contacts list, so we don't keep getting > bounces. > > Thanks > > Stephen Grody > > Access Business Group - Integrations > > Office: > 616-787-0188 > Cell/Pager: > 616-502-2454 > > > _______________________________________________ > Jug mailing list > Jug@gr-jug.org > http://gr-jug.org/mailman/listinfo/jug > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From king_cold_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 12:15:53 2003 From: king_cold_2000 at yahoo.com (Chris Mitus) Date: Wed Nov 19 15:11:48 2003 Subject: [GR-Jug] Remove me from your mailing list NOW! 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Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From allison_etheridge at yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 12:22:07 2003 From: allison_etheridge at yahoo.com (A.Etheridge) Date: Wed Nov 19 15:18:13 2003 Subject: [GR-Jug] Please remove me from your mailing list In-Reply-To: <20031119201553.61452.qmail@web14102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031119202207.80053.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> Please remove me from your mailing list --- Chris Mitus wrote: > Remove me from your mailing list or I will send you > hundreds of emails a day! > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > _______________________________________________ > Jug mailing list > Jug@gr-jug.org > http://gr-jug.org/mailman/listinfo/jug __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From radlickk at gr-jug.org Wed Nov 19 15:49:20 2003 From: radlickk at gr-jug.org (Ken Radlick) Date: Wed Nov 19 15:45:22 2003 Subject: [GR-Jug] J2ME Interest survey In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FBBD750.4010303@gr-jug.org> I am interested in J2ME but not sure if I have the time right now to devote to the coding competition (although the thought of a new Sharp PDA is quite appealing). Personally I think it would be great if we could get someone to talk about this type of Java as the mobile/small device segment is important and growing. That's my $0.02. Ken. Steve_Grody@accessbusinessgroup.com wrote: > > Hello Members, > > We haven't yet been able to round up a J2ME expert. In light of > that, i wanted to survey the group to see how many of you are actually > interested in developing J2ME applications. I don't think the area > has much going on with it, and there is no sense in putting a lot of > effort into something we won't use. If that is the case, i will > cancel the J2ME competition (i don't think there is anyone that has > gotten very far anyway, but if so let me know). Maybe a brief > presentation by a member would be useful though. > > Thank you, > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Stephen Grody* > Access Business Group - Integrations > Office: 616-787-0188 > Cell/Pager: 616-502-2454 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Jug mailing list >Jug@gr-jug.org >http://gr-jug.org/mailman/listinfo/jug > > From slalji at yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 13:02:58 2003 From: slalji at yahoo.com (Salma Lalji) Date: Wed Nov 19 15:59:01 2003 Subject: [GR-Jug] Please remove me from your mailing list In-Reply-To: <20031119202207.80053.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031119210258.18343.qmail@web12102.mail.yahoo.com> please remove me thanks --- "A.Etheridge" wrote: > Please remove me from your mailing list > --- Chris Mitus wrote: > > Remove me from your mailing list or I will send > you > > hundreds of emails a day! > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail > AddressGuard > > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > > _______________________________________________ > > Jug mailing list > > Jug@gr-jug.org > > http://gr-jug.org/mailman/listinfo/jug > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > _______________________________________________ > Jug mailing list > Jug@gr-jug.org > http://gr-jug.org/mailman/listinfo/jug __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From Steve_Grody at accessbusinessgroup.com Wed Nov 19 17:56:31 2003 From: Steve_Grody at accessbusinessgroup.com (Steve_Grody@accessbusinessgroup.com) Date: Wed Nov 19 17:54:05 2003 Subject: [GR-Jug] Tommorrow's topic - Applets 101 Message-ID: Hello group, Java Applets are the topic for tomorrow's presentation. I've used many applets in web applications, to enhance the functionality of the interface. During this presentation i will show you just what an applet is, where/how do they run, and how you can code them. We'll start with a basic Hello World, and work toward more complex techniques. Bring your computer and follow along in a hands on presentation, that will give you some practical examples to take home. 'Looking foreward to seeing you then. P.S. at the "end" of the meeting, we may have a Linux involved hardware demo, as we attempt to install the new hard drive in our server. (Matt, we sure hope you can make it) Stephen Grody Access Business Group - Integrations Office: 616-787-0188 Cell/Pager: 616-502-2454 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jeff Taylor --- Steve_Grody@accessbusinessgroup.com wrote: > This email is an attempt to request group emails to subscribed members > trusted contacts list, so we don't keep getting bounces. > > Thanks > > Stephen Grody > > Access Business Group - Integrations > > Office: > 616-787-0188 > Cell/Pager: > 616-502-2454 > > > _______________________________________________ > Jug mailing list > Jug@gr-jug.org > http://gr-jug.org/mailman/listinfo/jug > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree _______________________________________________ Jug mailing list Jug@gr-jug.org http://gr-jug.org/mailman/listinfo/jug From yourwishismine at yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 19:51:59 2003 From: yourwishismine at yahoo.com (Daniel Kill) Date: Wed Nov 19 19:48:03 2003 Subject: [GR-Jug] Please Add Me In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200311200048.hAK0lJCE021722@grjug.calvin.edu> Please remove me from the group list... 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Grand Rapids, MI 49546 - Blaise Pascal, Pens?es Ph: 616-526-8562 FAX: 616-526-6501 http://www.calvin.edu/~adams From Matt_Trees at foremost.com Thu Dec 4 14:20:43 2003 From: Matt_Trees at foremost.com (Trees, Matt) Date: Thu Jan 15 20:14:32 2004 Subject: [GR-Jug] FW: Free Wireless Webinar on JavaOne Online Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: JavaOne(SM) Online [mailto:sunmail@hermes.sun.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 7:45 PM To: matt_trees@foremost.com Subject: Free Wireless Webinar on JavaOne Online Free Webinar on JavaOne(SM) Online! Date: December 9, 2003 Time: 10:00 a.m. - 11:30 a.m. PST Title: "Developing Wireless Applications using MIDP 2.0, WMA, and MMA" Speaker: Bill Day Join Bill Day as he discusses recent updates to the core J2ME(TM) platform: MIDP 2.0, MMAPI 1.1, and WMA 1.1. Participants can learn how to use the J2ME Wireless Toolkit to take advantage of next generation J2ME platform features, including J2ME MIDP application ("MIDlet") signing, deployment Over The Air (OTA), sending and receiving SMS messages, and multimedia functionality. This webinar is intended to give you information on the tools necessary to write sophisticated wireless applications for cell phones and handheld devices coming to market now. Prerequisites: Previous familiarity with MIDP 1.0 and CLDC 1.0 is assumed. ***You do not need to be a current JavaOne Online subscriber to attend this webinar - space is limited - be sure to register today.*** To sign up for the webinar, please go to the following page: http://javaoneonline.mentorware.net/servlet/mware.servlets.StudentServlet?mw action=generic&file=net_talk&subsysId=2000&page=2 More about Bill Day: Bill Day is a Staff Engineer and Technology Evangelist at Sun Microsystems. 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From: "Carlus Henry" Subject: finally......an Eclipse GUI Builder Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:08:08 -0500 Size: 463 Url: http://gr-jug.org/pipermail/jug/attachments/20031215/3cf3558b/attachment.eml From Steve_Grody at accessbusinessgroup.com Thu Dec 18 19:34:27 2003 From: Steve_Grody at accessbusinessgroup.com (Steve_Grody@accessbusinessgroup.com) Date: Thu Jan 15 20:15:21 2004 Subject: [GR-Jug] JUG mtg tonight or not? In-Reply-To: <20031119201553.61452.qmail@web14102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello Group, I wanted to find out if anyone was planning on coming tonight, so i'm asking you to let us know if you are. The format tonight is 'workshop', which means we don't have a specific topic. If i hear that atleast 3 other people are coming, then i'll confirm that the meeting is on. Otherwise, the two people can probably work out their workshop issues together. Thanks Also, Joel, would the room be unlocked tonight? Stephen L Grody Access Business Group - Integrations www.AccessBusinessGroup.com 7575 E FULTON SE ADA MI 49355-0001 Office: 616-787-0188 Cell: 616-502-2454 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://gr-jug.org/pipermail/jug/attachments/20031218/1a800a37/attachment.htm From adams at calvin.edu Thu Dec 18 20:17:59 2003 From: adams at calvin.edu (Joel Adams) Date: Thu Jan 15 20:15:50 2004 Subject: [GR-Jug] Re: JUG mtg tonight or not? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The building and room should be open. Today is the last day of finals, so the only possible snag is that you may need to find a different room if that room is full of people taking an exam. But this being the last day, that seems unlikely. -Joel. On Thursday, December 18, 2003, at 02:36 PM, Steve_Grody@accessbusinessgroup.com wrote: > > Hello Group, > > I wanted to find out if anyone was planning on coming tonight, so i'm > asking you to let us know if you are. ? The format tonight is > 'workshop', which means we don't have a specific topic. ? ?If i hear > that atleast 3 other people are coming, then i'll confirm that the > meeting is on. ? Otherwise, the two people can probably work out their > workshop issues together. ? ?Thanks > > > Also, ?Joel, would the room be unlocked tonight? > > Stephen L Grody > Access Business Group - Integrations > www.AccessBusinessGroup.com > 7575 E FULTON SE > ADA MI 49355-0001 > Office: ?616-787-0188 > Cell: ? ?616-502-2454 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Joel C. Adams, Ph.D. "Two excesses: Department of Computer Science to exclude reason, Calvin College to admit nothing but reason." Grand Rapids, MI 49546 - Blaise Pascal, Pens?es Ph: 616-526-8562 FAX: 616-526-6501 http://www.calvin.edu/~adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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